Black mages. . . .

ya so now in pvp dd will destroy a blm in one second. Or at least Drgs and mnks will. Drgs hit box is as big as Blms Blizzara, so even if they bind the Drg they can still reach blm with true thrust and legs sweep. Mnks will flat out annihilate Blm just cause of Shoulder Tackle how is that fair? there is no balance. Shoulder tackle stun, pounce stun, demolish, howling fist dead.

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Originally Posted by KoujiGeki

ya so now in pvp dd will destroy a blm in one second. Or at least Drgs and mnks will. Drgs hit box is as big as Blms Blizzara, so even if they bind the Drg they can still reach blm with true thrust and legs sweep. Mnks will flat out annihilate Blm just cause of Shoulder Tackle how is that fair? there is no balance. Shoulder tackle stun, pounce stun, demolish, howling fist dead.

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I'm sorry but, how do you even know how PvP will work? You do know most skills are being changed too right?

But playing along your little game of pretending to know what PvP in 2.0 will be like and making ignorant comments (no offense) about PvP... Resonance > Thunder > Thundara > Thundaga > dead Dragoon/Mnk before they can even reach you.

There's no need to get angry about things you don't know about. Just wait for info and make judgement then. Otherwise you'll turn into Rokien.

ok well there is not a whole lot of options to make pvp unique in this FF. The coliseum can either be like wows kill the other team, capture the flag, etc or just make it like all generic pvp this person wishes to duel you do you accept. or like 11s pvp you start on opposite end and just kill each other.

and if its ls vs ls there are players who specifically build to fight 1 job. Theyll stack up on lightning resistance gear.

well unless they get rid of shoulder tackle or get rid of the stun the monk would be right up in the Blms face. ok sure they they might get thundara of but highly doubt a thunaga its to long a cast. and a blm is not gonna out run a Mnk with fist of winds up.

just sying if tthey dont switch blm around blm just gonna get screwed in pvp.

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ok well there is not a whole lot of options to make pvp unique in this FF. The coliseum can either be like wows kill the other team, capture the flag, etc or just make it like all generic pvp this person wishes to duel you do you accept. or like 11s pvp you start on opposite end and just kill each other.

and if its ls vs ls there are players who specifically build to fight 1 job. Theyll stack up on lightning resistance gear.

well unless they get rid of shoulder tackle or get rid of the stun the monk would be right up in the Blms face. ok sure they they might get thundara of but highly doubt a thunaga its to long a cast. and a blm is not gonna out run a Mnk with fist of winds up.

just sying if tthey dont switch blm around blm just gonna get screwed in pvp.

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Again, this is all in the pretext that there are no changes to spells, skills and weaponskills. Which is not the case.
You're starting to sound like Rokien here.... I don't think you want that..

oh god no. dont help he looks like me.

Just waiting for pvp to come out and all the Pvpers wanting Thunder Thundara combo nerfed, if it already isn't by 2.0 release.

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ok well there is not a whole lot of options to make pvp unique in this FF. The coliseum can either be like wows kill the other team, capture the flag, etc or just make it like all generic pvp this person wishes to duel you do you accept. or like 11s pvp you start on opposite end and just kill each other.

and if its ls vs ls there are players who specifically build to fight 1 job. Theyll stack up on lightning resistance gear.

well unless they get rid of shoulder tackle or get rid of the stun the monk would be right up in the Blms face. ok sure they they might get thundara of but highly doubt a thunaga its to long a cast. and a blm is not gonna out run a Mnk with fist of winds up.

just sying if tthey dont switch blm around blm just gonna get screwed in pvp.

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This is assuming 1-on-1. PvP will likely be group vs. group. BLM is designed to be a glass cannon. it needs a support line to function as intended.

assuming mnk has FoW up, the blm could also stack wind resistance.

but assuming 1-on-1:

Resonance => blizzard => thunder => thundara => blizzara to bind => run out of range => sleep => run => necro + darkseal => flare => Thundara (no combo, to stun) => blizzard (for heavy) => kite => second wind => sanguine => sleep => freeze.

BLM has a clear advantage over mnk. assuming the blm can survive the initial onslaught (should be easy) the mnk's longer CDs will prevent it from doing anything. the blm only has to worry about surviving long enough to get the first blizzara off. easy enough if you plan right.

but really we wont' know how things will work until we try it out.

Have got to remember that BLM is still a beast even with just thunder combo but i have to admit there needs to be a wider range of single target and aoe magic Blizzard is also useless even to mobs that are weak to ice it does pretty low numbers but what SE is trying to do i suppose is to balance the system so BLM is not needed in every single event (not like its not needed in 90%).

But also on a side note WHM is a healer its meant to heal so saying "WHM only casts like 3 spells so boring" is pretty stupid. What you want it do cast cure and at the same time opens a black hole under the mob and suck it into oblivion?.

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This is assuming 1-on-1. PvP will likely be group vs. group. BLM is designed to be a glass cannon. it needs a support line to function as intended.

assuming mnk has FoW up, the blm could also stack wind resistance.

but assuming 1-on-1:

Resonance => blizzard => thunder => thundara => blizzara to bind => run out of range => sleep => run => necro + darkseal => flare => Thundara (no combo, to stun) => blizzard (for heavy) => kite => second wind => sanguine => sleep => freeze.

BLM has a clear advantage over mnk. assuming the blm can survive the initial onslaught (should be easy) the mnk's longer CDs will prevent it from doing anything. the blm only has to worry about surviving long enough to get the first blizzara off. easy enough if you plan right.

but really we wont' know how things will work until we try it out.

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Pretty much this, they'll have to change a lot from what we have now. As it stands a single WHM could decimate an entire party in about 3 seconds if given the chance so adjustments will have to be made.

Well this was never about balance in pvp or how good Blm is in instance runs or boss fights, this was about the how stupid they did their spells.