I think FFXIV should be more political actually

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Originally Posted by Kranel_San

You must be truly a big fan of it when you keep recommending it.

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Of course I am, who in their right mind would hate Tetris.

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

The political element of Dawntrail is constantly in your face so I do not know how you missed it. The political tension of Dawntrail is a character named Wuk Lamat.

And please do not confuse this as commentary on the voice actress. Its not.

My point being, FFXIV does not need to be more political. It just needs to be good. We do not need to be patronized like we did not understand class disparity in Heavenward. Players are not stupid and this constant reminder the game is political is unnecessary.

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The right of succession? The way she says "I cant put my nose into the business of other nations, it would cause problems" but does so anyway without any consequences or anyone caring? Aside from that one small scene with the fake Sphene 2.0 and even then nobody was watching or probably wouldve cared if she took as a shot at a hologram.
Politics are apart of worldbuilding, its how every nation in Hydaelyn functions.

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

Tural is political. Its about who can smile more. Its about who can be the most peaceful. Did you even play it?

I see politics all over DT. It's just bad.

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I recommend some Tetris to you as well.

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

So you suggest Tetris when people do not think the story needs politics at all and also when people feel it has politics? Perplexing. It appears what you want is for people to agree to some kind of specific agenda you have. Not interested. DT is very political, just like all other expansions and the other IP mentioned. Any other claim is excuse making.

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No, it's just a good game, I think you would benefit from playing it. I think everyone should play Tetris and return their game minds to factory settings.

The politics of Dawntrail failed because there was so little tension and the writing never attempted to show sides and motivations for the three children in the Right. All three were "I want to do what's best for my people" but it was status quo (Wuk Lamat), innovation (Koana), or expansion (Zoraal Ja). All three were actually picking up where their dad left off in some way.

I still just sit and look at DT wondering if we had the option to pick one ourselves, even if the winners were always Koana and Wuk Lamat in the end, with Zoraal Ja still taking over Alexandria as he did.

Zoraal Ja being so underbaked is such a shame. Ugh. Understanding the goals of each leader... Maybe Wuk being so naive would have been a more interesting take if we actually felt encouraged to pick her pure desire for peace next to an industrial revolution or risk of war.


Bleh.

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Originally Posted by Hallarem

The right of succession? The way she says "I cant put my nose into the business of other nations, it would cause problems" but does so anyway without any consequences or anyone caring? Aside from that one small scene with the fake Sphene 2.0 and even then nobody was watching or probably wouldve cared if she took as a shot at a hologram.
Politics are apart of worldbuilding, its how every nation in Hydaelyn functions.

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I think the lack of consequences is one of the biggest parts of why Dawntrail came up short. Now, I'm not one of those people who are clamoring to have characters die (when that happens in a lot of stories, it's just a lazy shorthand for emotional investment) but I do think that characters having to deal with the fallout of their bad choices would make the story much more believable. Remember Alphinaud and the Crystal Braves?

The other problem is that we seem to never learn from said bad choices and their consequences. I hate that the game makes my WoL an idiot. Why in the world would I trust Sphene? She couldn't be more obvious if she held a giant neon "I'm the villain" sign. Why did we just stand by and watch the duel go down the way it did when Zoraal Ja was obviously cheating? Like...you know it's bad when Alisae of all people is the voice of reason.

Whether or not we need more 'politics' in our MSQ, I do hope the writer will learn to not disrespect the established world of FFXIV in ARR-ShB/EW. Grounding us to a reality to some degree makes the world of FFXIV a believable story. I.e. can you actually believe that telling the moblin to stop kidnapping because 'happy workers do better job' literally works? Why would they? lol. But according to writer... that's how it's supposed to go... so there they go. NGL that sounded pretty insensitive (try that IRL? lmao), and it's just one from many issues. Remember when lofty ambitions taught Alphi the Crystal Braves? Remember when Aymeric was stabbed despite his noble goals and good intentions? Remember how the damage that Yotsuyu and Fordola has caused does not necessarily 'forgotten' or healed from a simple apology, punishment, and or amnesia?

While I personally enjoyed 7.2 - 7.3 more, both of these patches still suffers from narrative issues inherited from post-EW to 7.0.

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Originally Posted by PercibelTheren

I think the lack of consequences is one of the biggest parts of why Dawntrail came up short. Now, I'm not one of those people who are clamoring to have characters die (when that happens in a lot of stories, it's just a lazy shorthand for emotional investment) but I do think that characters having to deal with the fallout of their bad choices would make the story much more believable. Remember Alphinaud and the Crystal Braves?

The other problem is that we seem to never learn from said bad choices and their consequences. I hate that the game makes my WoL an idiot. Why in the world would I trust Sphene? She couldn't be more obvious if she held a giant neon "I'm the villain" sign. Why did we just stand by and watch the duel go down the way it did when Zoraal Ja was obviously cheating? Like...you know it's bad when Alisae of all people is the voice of reason.

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Everyone with half a braincell should be offended on how much like a child the story of Dawntrail treats its readers. If the whole game was childish and the same level of writing, sure? But after some of the last expansions, Dawntrail felt like a completely different universe.

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Originally Posted by Hallarem

Bird people were just birdbrains who FORGOT their culture

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Truth. I was incredibly offended with how my people and our beautiful culture was portrayed in-game. Squeenix needs to do better.

There appears to be agreement that there are politics in DawnTrail but a lack of tension or a lack of consequences which is different from saying it's not political at all. DawnTrail is certainly a product of its time and there is such a thing as political idealism among many other political things that are more subtle including the main character.

I'm not going to write up an essay about it although I easily could but I'm just pointing out that the name of the topic is wrong, Dawntrail arguably has more politics in it than Shadowbringers which is one of the most popular expansions and really only has political conflict in one city. If developers are actually reading feedback they should read it in specificity and not go by the headline. We absolutely do not need more politics in the game.