Can I ask why Creative Business Unit 3 are radio silent on the issue of Forked Tower?

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Originally Posted by Daralii

It's already at the point of Discord groups "reserving" instances up to a week in advance.

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All the spoils will be financially theirs as well. Total Monopoly on senguinite and everything that comes from the vendor. Our own version of the dutch east India company.

as I said in another thread :

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Originally Posted by CNitsah

The SE method is take note and "fix" things with next expansion. EW proved that. If it's not the right fix, wait next expansion. EW problems were only recognized during DT promotion.

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They keep the direction they chosen until the end (of the expansion), even with the majority of people saying to them they're wrong. You have to reach the whole Wuk Lamat fiasco lvl of backlash for them to think about changing something right now. Honestly, the backlash on Forked tower isn't that big compared to that one. r/ffxiv is even back at shoting down any criticism. I hope I'm wrong, but they'll probably not mention anything during next LL.

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Originally Posted by Astronema

All the spoils will be financially theirs as well. Total Monopoly on senguinite and everything that comes from the vendor. Our own version of the dutch east India company.

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The only AHable things you can buy with Sanguinte are 3 minions and 2 orchestrion rolls and the price on those is negligible at this point. There are MUCH easier ways to farm that amount of gil.

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Originally Posted by Yoshihara

I don't understand why someone in the dev team decided that the perfect storm of:
72 man instances
Unable to queue in as a 48 man alliance into an instance
Making the content 48 man content with mechanics that can wipe an entire raid if a random / one player makes a mistake / doesn't communicate you get the idea
Unable to choose an instance to join

Why was this greenlit? Did nobody have the foresight to see what it would cause?
All of this results in, as a lot of people have been complained about already, making the content waste hours of people's time trying to get into the same instance to do this content.

This also elevates people's frustration levels to ridiculous levels, it's an insult to people's time, we haven't received any apology from the dev team, no hotfix to implement at least the capability to queue in as a 6 party alliance. We shouldn't have to game the system by queueing on Dynamis (which is exploiting another problem brushed under the carpet of a dead Datacentre), of which EU doesn't have the luxury to do so as Shadow was removed.

So now we get instances of people getting angry and frustrated at the game after one person makes a mistake and wipes the raid. For all the "FFXIV respects your time just go play other games when you run out of content" memes (which is massive copium by the way), this is the biggest disrespect of everyone's time, and if anything Japanese culture should understand what it means to have wasted everyone's time.

Not only that but you've bred the perfect toxic environment where communities become intolerant due to how much time is invested into trying to get into the content. 47 people feel miserable when one person causes a wipe, and then the 1 person feels even more miserable because they have the eyes of everyone on their back.

You could blame "Toxic Elitism" of the raiders for ganging up on the one guy who made the mistake, you can blame the one guy for making a mistake, but ultimately the people to blame are the devs who somehow didn't foresee this happening with how this system works. For the few people who have managed to get a clear out of this, they've also created thousands of extremely upset, angry, frustrated players who are taking it out on each other. I find it hard to blame any of them, and my ire is directed at the dev team right now.

But what also really gets me is the radio silence from the devs, just nothing, no communication, no acknowledgement of the issue, nothing to let us know that the devs even care anymore.

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Your assuming they test these things properly with people who enjoy playing the game, that is asking wayyyy too much. :D

If they had play tested this content with enough people in an instance who enjoy playing the game, they would have easily noticed on day 1, most or all of the issues people have complained about. I dont think they test beyond "does it work".

I expect 1 or 2 sentences saying they'll look into it then possibly a change in 7.5 or never.

I really like OC. And I really want to continue liking it, but the only reason to continue doing anything in OC at this point (at least for me) is if I want to continue mastering jobs and upgrading gear to be more useful in Forked Tower. With FT the way it is (inability to queue or get a pre-made into that zone), I have no urge to return to OC until Relic Step 2 is released. Then I'll grind whatever the new nonsense is for a week and leave it behind again.

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Originally Posted by Valence

My personal pet theory is that they grew too wary of some of their quotes being taken to the moon, like "just go play ultimates" and others like that. This added with multiple sorties of Yoshida about players being crude or outright insulting on the forums toward the devs, tends to make me think that way anyway.

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good ol' blame the playerbase for our poor communication.

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Originally Posted by Valence

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That's still bad communication on their part. They do have to be competent enough not to put their foot in their mouth. If they do put their foot in their mouth they have to open it again to clarify matters.
Decent communication could have corrected the damage done by "play other games". But when you instead get silence, that's just unambiguously unapologetic.
Prominent, trusted reasonable YouTubers with working relationships, like Zepla have given them an out to exploit and still they remain silent.

As for insulting, they have behaved callously with the mixture of their lack of sensitivity in some of their decisions mixed with the lack of communication.

If they start offering me pro-rata refund on my unused sub, I'll stop being angry (and don't say watch YouTube and join the content late). But if you make incompetent decisions I'll call it incompetent. If you do it so often you make me angry, I'll call you fkn incompetent.
Offer me refund on my sub and then there will be a leg to stand on, but there is no refund, so I dint want to hear i shouldn't be fed up. Especially given the investment I have made in the game which they 'have' encouraged. They have not maintained standards.

(And if you take my money when I resub to join friends, don't give me the option of a refund, don't give me a normal Castrum, just provide a savage, then force me into a gambling bidding war I can never win to play that content, and don't offer me a refund on my really hard earned ever less spare money, i'll tell you to "go fck yourself'. Its beyond the pale. And still... no communication.)

Next expansion, offer full refund to anyone who has completed less than half MSQ, and is not happy.

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Originally Posted by Valence

My personal pet theory is that they grew too wary of some of their quotes being taken to the moon, like "just go play ultimates" and others like that.

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To be fair, if you literally go "then eat cake" its clear they get quite the backlash...

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Originally Posted by Kisshu

It's five records that's tied to the tower, or 1/6 of the current total records.

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Five???? That's even worse. Even Eureka didn't screw people over that badly in regards to lore.