PvP 7.1

just because you don't bother doesn't mean the rest of us don't. even if you don't care about healing others, it's still suboptimal play if you don't heal them because it builds your lb

the idea that people don't use their heal is completely ridiculous -

on whm, it's amazing lb charge + plus aoe ogcd
on sage, it's literally the big laser
on ast, your micros literally goes off by itself and you are actively trolling if you don't double benefic
on sch, you just setup before the fight and forget about it, plus your lb is literally a healing turret

i have no idea how much experience you have, but the idea that people don't use their healing
abilities, at least in cc, is utter nonsense

people being bad at their classes is not indicative of bad class design, those players are just bad

I'd like to see alternative Limit Break spenders!

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Seiton Tenchu to kill and Raijus to support.
Like I said, I only need a simple coordination from any job with Salience and I can effectively kill a DK I do not recognize
If it is a DK i do recognize and it is a premade, I will mark him then ask jobs that can cast Salience to use Silence asap when they see him.
I will stop his support (BH DNC or Reaper) and Seiton Tenchu the DK if I have the chance.

Also, people are fed up with DK Premade.
If you notify which GC has DK Premade and ask alliance nicely to just focus DK Premade's GC, people are willing to comply
Make DK premade group suffers is what people are looking for now

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Silence doesn't work on purify and neither does it work on Eventide. Any DRK worth their salt will use Purify before jumping in. If they don't, and somehow manage to get bursted down below 50% HP (not a guarantee either), then they deserve it I guess. Seriously, what kind of DRK runs in pants down without purify up?

Meteodrive and Miracle I could see work but considering the extremely tight time window you'd have to drop the DRK low enough, that's literally why I spoke about pin point accuracy and coordination and as a result an effort increased tenfold in comparison to just using DRK combos to get rid of DRK combos.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

I do find it a little odd that people want Miracle of Nature nerfed when it's one of the few things that a DRK can't just Purify away (before or after it hits).

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Because Miracle is absolute cancer in CC, especially ranked with people that actually know how to (ab)use it.

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Originally Posted by Valence

Silence doesn't work on purify and neither does it work on Eventide. Any DRK worth their salt will use Purify before jumping in. If they don't, and somehow manage to get bursted down below 50% HP (not a guarantee either), then they deserve it I guess. Seriously, what kind of DRK runs in pants down without purify up?

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I can see why you are having trouble with DK
Silence is not stop Eventide, it is prevent/delay DK from using Plunge and Blackest Night and put obstacle to Salted Earth (He is under focus fire from macro)
If Silence got DK at 45% HP, Seiton Tenchu will got him unless he scripted Eventide to auto trigger

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

I can see why you are having trouble with DK
Silence is not stop Eventide, it is prevent/delay DK from using Plunge and Blackest Night and put obstacle to Salted Earth (He is under focus fire from macro)
If Silence got DK at 45% HP, Seiton Tenchu will got him unless he scripted Eventide to auto trigger

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I'm not having trouble with DRK and never said to use CC to deal with Eventide. If the DRK is using Eventide it's already too late, the pull has been done.
I'm questioning the logic behind using silence on a DRK that should be using Purify when going in. Are DRKs on JP not using Purify?

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Originally Posted by Valence

I'm not having trouble with DRK and never said to use CC to deal with Eventide. If the DRK is using Eventide it's already too late, the pull has been done.
I'm questioning the logic behind using silence on a DRK that should be using Purify when going in. Are DRKs on JP not using Purify?

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Silence is for force him to use Purify to create GCD delate of Plunge and Salted Earth, so melee will have time to react
It never means to stop Eventide
This is also not a IWIN strategy, but it will makes them suffers and no more easy game for them
This is better off than your idea of DK Premade vs DK Premade, it is only makes situation worst and boost their ego

I never said that Silence was to be used on Eventide.
The only moment you can use Silence on a DRK is when they plunge in, else they're just at the back of their team waiting for the engagement to start. If they're behind or within their team, being silenced is meaningless because they're safe, and can safely ignore it (why would they waste purify there?). When they do rush in, they'll have purify up, making your silence irrelevant.
I do not know how to explain it better.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

I can also see them gutting most/all heals from WHM/SCH/AST/SGE to give them other tools to use because I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen people healing others in PVP (Frontlines or Crystaline Conflict), and I certainly know that I've rarely bothered to do it.

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Too many people still want healing nerfs. They don't want Recuperate to be spammed despite it being easier to pressure one to death. They don't want to deal with one team having a healer while the rest are dps despite certain dps classes being made more supportive. They want things simple, and despite things being reduced to a 6 button joystick the healing portion is turning a lot off. If all classes were made mainly dps only I can see a group of people quitting for the simple fact that they cannot heal others.

SCH needs more direct damage because its ironically still a PvE job in that front. Or double down on debuffing and support.

Certain limit breaks like RPR and DNC should not have an animation lock so that they can fully utilize it.