Warrior Rework to Balance the job

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Originally Posted by aiqa

PLD has far lower healing and dps then WAR, so you can add that to your "problem" list. So then all tanks are problems, and WAR is the only tank working as intended. And WAR has about the same ogcd healing potential as WHM in solo or small group content, guess you can add WHM to the problem list too.

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A tank isn't a healer. What are you on about. WAR is comically unbalanced and deserves a orbital nerf. Vercure and hybrids are one thing, a job that straight up invalidates an entire role with impunity is another.

The whole reason we have boring jobs is balance yet WAR is anything but.

This active post shows how much people are divisive on the current state of WAR..

this job isn't a tank and not a healer this jobs is a "boss" role type of job

which destroys the current state of trinity in the game

I don't think my rework that I wrote is a good idea..

but I want to highlight how other tanks are effected from WAR buffs every batch

there is zero need for any division on warrior.
i am a damn tank main and i have had several healers complain i made them feel useless when i played warrior.
the amount of healing is based on amounts of enemies, Crit heal or no crit heal and wether bloodwhetting is in permanent cooldown or not.

IF IT IS you play blue healer period. do not @ me with, "warrior is ballanced" if you're one of those people you clearly never played a tank class other then warrior and got no idea what a tank is supposed to be

from what i read you've had put in too much healing and too much damage in your little imaginary rework.

the only thing warrior really needs is Halving the effects of bloodwhetting and equilibrium and it would be ALOT more ballanced already.
maybe remove the DHR from the guarenteed crit/dhr hits to lower its massive dps output a bit. it already is very selfsustainable, it doesn't need also damage on top of that.
the devs said themselves they want to make tanks more individualized yet warrior is Tank AND healer AND dps. thats not unique. thats just everything

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Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers

And you'd be right, dungeons don't have enough damage in them. It doesn't disprove that WAR's healing in dungeons is excessive to a degree that is beyond reason and needs fixing. I may be looking in the wrong places but I don't see PLDs running content synced with three dps, nor GNB. Neither do we have jokes like "By the way, did you know PLD/GNB/DRK can solo <duty> synced?" yet the number of duties WAR can't solo synced is lower than the number it can - that alone is damning.

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You are indeed looking at the wrong places.
You can find many runs that includes 1 tank and 3 DPS, including DRK, thought it is the least popular composition due to obvious reasons.
You can find them in dungeons runs where you filter out healers, you will see plenty of PLD and WAR with some GNB.

WAR is obviously the comfort pick but PLD's Clemency is being slept on. Without Clemency, all those very hard content with only tanks/no healers wouldn't be possible.

i personaly call warrior a beginners tank class. and it is nothing beyond that.
easy mode
Boring class
braindead
and i'm sure i've had it called several other names that aren't too positive. i literaly level warrior to max only so i can leave it alone until i feel so damn tired or bored of tanking that i pick warrior out of sheer laziness.
i literaly have a macro apologizing to my at that moment healer for possibly making them feel useless :)
its simply the best class to step into the game if ur a beginner. and yes it feels nice to be semi immortal.
but after 1/2 dungeon runs it makes me feel bored of it. warrior is just braindead to the point i do not want to play it unless i am half asleep during duties.

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Originally Posted by Chrome_Aerial

i personaly call warrior a beginners tank class. and it is nothing beyond that.
easy mode
Boring class
braindead
and i'm sure i've had it called several other names that aren't too positive. i literaly level warrior to max only so i can leave it alone until i feel so damn tired or bored of tanking that i pick warrior out of sheer laziness.
i literaly have a macro apologizing to my at that moment healer for possibly making them feel useless :)
its simply the best class to step into the game if ur a beginner. and yes it feels nice to be semi immortal.
but after 1/2 dungeon runs it makes me feel bored of it. warrior is just braindead to the point i do not want to play it unless i am half asleep during duties.

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there is a difference between "Easy" job to get into
and "Best" job to play

Warrior is the best in all cases

thats true. wich makes it a very easy job to start the game with. but a very boring job to play the game with at higher level

It's insane the amount of ppl that come to forums to complain about issues with their classes while they themselves barely play the game.

Sorry but dungeons aren't end game content, normal trials aren't end game content neither are normal raids. Endgame content is Savage, EX, Criterion and Ultimates and all game balancing is made taking those in consideration.

For all the healers screaming "omg, I WISH I HAD SOMETHING TO HEAL" say that to all the tanks melting in P10S cuz healers were too busy glaring or DPSing to actually help with heals. There's a big reason why HH was a big wall for PF and it's not cuz mitigation or damage. The amount of parties who could never clear that raid without relying on tank LB 3 to survive HH just cause the healers couldn't press the "free heals" they had. And guess what, that's end game, warriors now have a better kit to help with that. We, the tanks, ASKED for it and SE listened and those who asked actually do content.

Do we have an issue with DRK and PLD toolkit? Yes, they should get a buff. That's the only thing that has to happen. Healers are fine, they were fine before and they will keep being fine cuz you know what? The healing changes since ARR were made taking FEEDBACK in consideration. You guys asked for healer to be easier and less complex. Yoshi P made clear multiple times that all job changes comes from community requests and no change will ever please everyone, but trying to pull others down just cuz you don't like your changes is just sad.

Savage didn't even came out and you all crying for healing issues... Get your head out of your holes and play the game for once before talking.

Oh and for the folks saying warrior is boring to play, that's totally fine.

I, for one, think dungeons are boring. You know what I do? I don't run roulettes or dungeons unless I have a good reason to. This game is gigantic and has a bunch of options in both class and content. No reason why I have to spill hate around and ruin things for people like I had no option.