How many housing lotteries do I have to enter before I win?

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

How am I overestimating when I never stated any sort of number are doing it?

Do some players do it? Yes. I'm not even referring to organized RMT services. I'm talking players selling gil "under the table" to other players. I know of one player that was doing it as recently as 5.5 though I haven't seen him around in Endwalker so maybe he got caught and banned, or maybe he gave up. But I know for certain he had been buying houses to set up gardens and workshops to farm gil to sell casually.

The long term costs for those running workshop farms is less than the cost of setting up those workshops individually because parts no longer needed in one workshop can be transferred to another. There's still some time investment to get sectors unlocked but that's not going to matter to those who are doing this casually almost as a hobby/side job instead of as an organized business.

Is the number using housing to make and sell gil high? No. There's probably no more than a handful per server doing it.

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You might not have overestimated but there are a ton of others who are foaming at the mouth calling every single multiowner an RMT vendor.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

How am I overestimating when I never stated any sort of number are doing it?

Do some players do it? Yes. I'm not even referring to organized RMT services. I'm talking players selling gil "under the table" to other players. I know of one player that was doing it as recently as 5.5 though I haven't seen him around in Endwalker so maybe he got caught and banned, or maybe he gave up. But I know for certain he had been buying houses to set up gardens and workshops to farm gil to sell casually.

The long term costs for those running workshop farms is less than the cost of setting up those workshops individually because parts no longer needed in one workshop can be transferred to another. There's still some time investment to get sectors unlocked but that's not going to matter to those who are doing this casually almost as a hobby/side job instead of as an organized business.

Is the number using housing to make and sell gil high? No. There's probably no more than a handful per server doing it.

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Ah yeah, this was what we are missing in the thread so far. The personal anecdote of one case relates to the assumption everyone an his mother is doing it. Sure go ahead with this conspirency based on non existing facts.

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Originally Posted by Yodada

Ah yeah, this was what we are missing in the thread so far. The personal anecdote of one case relates to the assumption everyone an his mother is doing it. Sure go ahead with this conspirency based on non existing facts.

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Knowing and having proof are two different things.

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Originally Posted by Yodada

Ah yeah, this was what we are missing in the thread so far. The personal anecdote of one case relates to the assumption everyone an his mother is doing it. Sure go ahead with this conspirency based on non existing facts.

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Seems like you need to return to school to improve your reading comprehension. I'm not accusing "everyone and his mother" of doing it.

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Originally Posted by Eph4790

I have entered 8 housing lotteries and I have lost all of them, so can someone tell me how many I gotta enter before I win? Cause losing week after week is starting to annoy me.

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I have entered 25 housing lotteries and I have lost all of them. You don't know being annoyed, but it's the system and the way it is.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

I remember those days. I got my first house and my current house that way.

It's also days long past. It hasn't been possible on any NA servers since Spring 2019 because SE wouldn't take steps to make certain supply kept up with demand and made shell FCs a more reliable way to obtain a house for personal use since the advent of the lottery than buying a personal house directly.

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It didn't have to be days long past. Ishgard release could have been first come first serve with lottery reserved for demolished plots. The upcoming housing release could have been first come first serve. Even assuming the player base has doubled in the past few years, it would still be a better system. Last time I raced to get a house I saw around 4-5 runners in the same subward. So now, that would be around 8-10 runners per 30 plots. Better than 10+ lottery tickets on every single plot. A nice little bonus back in the day was that you could get a house next to your spouse or your fc. Not anymore.

I said this lottery system would be bad and people argued with me multiple times. I said there would be 10x the competition per plot and getting a house would become harder, not easier. Well, enjoy it folks. I can't help but feel schadenfreude whenever I see these complaint threads. Especially the ones asking for increased chances for themselves like they are special (not this OP).

Edit: me before Endwalker, I was pretty close with my prediction lol.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

INB4 "So I have signed up for house lottery 10 times in the past 6 months and each time there have been around 50-80 other players listed on the lottery. How the **** am I supposed to get a house in this game?? At this rate it will take literally years.

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Originally Posted by Eph4790

I have entered 8 housing lotteries and I have lost all of them, so can someone tell me how many I gotta enter before I win? Cause losing week after week is starting to annoy me.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

It didn't have to be days long past. Ishgard release could have been first come first serve with lottery reserved for demolished plots. The upcoming housing release could have been first come first serve. Even assuming the player base has doubled in the past few years, it would still be a better system. Last time I raced to get a house I saw around 4-5 runners in the same subward. So now, that would be around 8-10 runners per 30 plots. Better than 10+ lottery tickets on every single plot. A nice little bonus back in the day was that you could get a house next to your spouse or your fc. Not anymore.

I said this lottery system would be bad and people argued with me multiple times. I said there would be 10x the competition per plot and getting a house would become harder, not easier. Well, enjoy it folks. I can't help but feel schadenfreude whenever I see these complaint threads. Especially the ones asking for increased chances for themselves like they are special (not this OP).

Edit: me before Endwalker, I was pretty close with my prediction lol.

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And yet, in a twisted sort of way, you are indeed arguing for a system that favors you. The reason why there are so many more people trying for houses is that the lottery system makes it easier for them to participate. The population of players that want houses, is probably quite large. First-Come-First-Served restricted a significant number of players from participating. It's much easier now, with the lottery system in place, for all players who might be interested in owning a house to actually try for one. The real solution to the housing demand is to add more houses. A LOT more houses.

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Originally Posted by Eraden

It's much easier now, with the lottery system in place, for all players who might be interested in owning a house to actually try for one.

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Easier to try but much harder to win. People know this, which is why they are complaining not only about the lack of houses, but also about the lottery system itself. The waiting time, the amount of bids and the frustration of losing on a weekly basis. Players wanted everyone to have the same chance of getting a house but now they complain about not being able to increase their chances at the expense of others. All of these complaints are consequences of making the system more accessible and equal.

If this really is a better system, people should probably stop complaining about the lottery before Square goes and changes it for the worse.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Easier to try but much harder to win. People know this, which is why they are complaining not only about the lack of houses, but also about the lottery system itself. The waiting time, the amount of bids and the frustration of losing on a weekly basis. Players wanted everyone to have the same chance of getting a house but now they complain about not being able to increase their chances at the expense of others. All of these complaints are consequences of making the system more accessible and equal.

If this really is a better system, people should probably stop complaining about the lottery before Square goes and changes it for the worse.

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People will always find a reason to complain since it's human nature, and yet that does not detracts from the fact that lottery is a much fairer way compared to FCFS since it allows a higher population to get their foot into the door as opposed to FCFS where the majority of players are denied opportunities to bid for plots due to timing issues since plots typically only become available either during the NA wee hours or the middle of work/classes for EU players.

FCFS also means placard spamming which leads to mass botting where honest players are at a major disadvantage.

When the new wards drop Large,medium and Prime plots are going to have the highest number of bidders. While the Small less desired plots will have zero or only a few bidders. If you want a house now and dont mind location go with the small less desired plots its your best shot. If you want a large, medium or prime plot then be ready for heavy competition. Waiting until near the end of the bidding period to bid is a good idea by then most bidders will be locked into their choice.