Anti-Exploit Measures for Caravan (Can I have it?)

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Originally Posted by Answa

Huh? I've never even seen your character in game... Are you seriously claiming that I said that to you?

I get really pissed off, but I don't tell anyone to die. I tell my party to let you die. Much more humane, if you ask me.

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I wish I had a screenshot... If I had known this was gonna come up here, I definitely would have taken one.

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Originally Posted by Answa

There's no way you can spin it other than you're being a douche. You can steal a party's mobs if you're farming an item they drop, the game allows you to by design. Do you do it? Hopefully not. Why? Because you'd be a douche.

This is the same thing.

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This is not fair nor is it accurate. There is no reason someone should have to sit out for two or three HOURS because a pty doesn't want to share. First come first serve. Ideally you SHOULD be rotating if there are more than 8 people who wish to participate. Otherwise YOUR being the dushe. The way Behest generally works(when people used to DO behest), NPC spawns, people rush to get one of the 8 spots, pty forms from people who got a spot...and go. Everyone else? Too slow, try again next time.

This is not a leve quest, its not an instanced event, it's an open world event like behest.

Opening up the numbers to more than 8 members would be ideal, there is not even a real reason to force this to be a pty event. No one is in it for exp, in the end we just want the seals, and you don't have to form a pty to get those.

Don't try to pull that card. That's just rude gameplay.

Whining that someone beat you signing up for Caravan is like crying because you were not fast enough to get into Behest. There are not the dushe, the person bitching about it is. If you want to farm seals in a pty go do Toto Rak, Caravan is first come first serve.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

I wish I had a screenshot... If I had known this was gonna come up here, I definitely would have taken one.

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Try harder to troll. I'm not even in the Flames. I'd love to see your Photoshop skills prove you right. Nevermind, resolved it ingame.

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Originally Posted by Hayden

This is not fair nor is it accurate. There is no reason someone should have to sit out for two or three HOURS because a pty doesn't want to share. First come first serve. Ideally you SHOULD be rotating if there are more than 8 people who wish to participate. Otherwise YOUR being the dushe. The way Behest generally works(when people used to DO behest), NPC spawns, people rush to get one of the 8 spots, pty forms from people who got a spot...and go. Everyone else? Too slow, try again next time.

This is not a leve quest, its not an instanced event, it's an open world event like behest.

Opening up the numbers to more than 8 members would be ideal, there is not even a real reason to force this to be a pty event. No one is in it for exp, in the end we just want the seals, and you don't have to form a pty to get those.

Don't try to pull that card. That's just rude gameplay.

Whining that someone beat you signing up for Caravan is like crying because you were not fast enough to get into Behest. There are not the dushe, the person bitching about it is. If you want to farm seals in a pty go do Toto Rak, Caravan is first come first serve.

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No, it's not. If someone did what Ms. Molly did, then I'd be fine with it (in principle--I'd still be a little pissed, since I'm human and not a rational rule robot [alliteration!]), because she said she brought a small group with her.

That's fine.

If a solo person come along, expecting to get a free ride, that's where I see a problem, since through zero effort in that person's part, there's now seven people doing all the work that they planned on doing, while this 8th (who in my experience never says anything, just leeches) asshole just gets a free ride.

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Originally Posted by Vice

Only eight people at any given time can take part in a Caravan Escort, so when you manage to gather a full party in hopes of doing 1,000 seal runs and you're greeted by a parasite who edges out an unlucky party member, then proceeds to take a seat at the end, no one's particularly happy.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

I've done that, but it was because I got the quest before somebody else and the party leader refused to invite me. He actually accused me of stealing from the party.

Please remember folks, caravan escorts are first come first served. Just because you did the last one, that does not guarantee you a spot in the next run, your MUST be faster than the other folks waiting for the quest.

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Caravan escort is an open event. Not instance, raid party or whatever. Party is only created for those who take the quest, just like behest. It's the problem of players' mindset here. Some players think they are given the priorities if they have a party before quests are taken*facepalm*

I see competition getting a lot worse with this:

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

I have good news for all of you about Caravan Defense!

In patch 1.22b we will be adding a special quest that will open up access to other city’s caravan defense quests so that you will be able to participate with other players, regardless of which Grand Company they belong to. On top of that, we are adding new rewards for completing caravan defense. :)

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They really should make it instanced or something. I'd love to be able to easily put together caravan parties within linkshells without having to be exclusive, but so would everyone else.

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Originally Posted by Eagleheart

I concur. The leve system is severely underutilized, in my opinion. (o.O ) People talk about the difficulty of balancing lockouts with drop rates. Why not make things like Ifrit cost leve tokens?

Some balancing would be in order, of course, but it seems a good starting point.

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I also agree....

I know leves kinda got a bad wrap back in the day; but it's time to bring it back with the right idea this time. It just makes good sense to use leves for these types of things (guardia/ifrit, caravans etc)

The content was designed so that people who are playing solo would be able to join. If that wasn't the intention, then it wouldn't have been designed that way. If the dev's didn't want solo players joining a already developed party, they would have instanced it in the first place. However, the unintended consequence of the type of content is people going AFKing and leeching, which is a problem, (not in molly's case though, if a party leader is flat out refusing to invite you then whatever), and should probably be fixed.

Anti-Exploit-Measures-For-Caravan 1: Reward is based on a minimum threshold of activity (must attack at least 10% of the mobs, must heal at least 10% of the people involved in killing 10% of the mobs). Low enough to not be a nuisance, high enough to not be hiding out the whole time.

(Note, might be good idea to extend that to Levequests too?)


Anti-Exploit-Measures-For-Caravan 2: Note and /blist the person who does this. This is a community. People who earn a bad reputation will have that stick with them for a long time.

o.o I..

I just turn in gathered items for seal rewards.

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Originally Posted by Answa;7093601No, it's not. If someone did what Ms. Molly did, then I'd be fine with it (in principle--I'd still be a little pissed, since I'm human and not a rational rule robot [alliteration!

), because she said she brought a small group with her.

That's fine.

If a solo person come along, expecting to get a free ride, that's where I see a problem, since through zero effort in that person's part, there's now seven people doing all the work that they planned on doing, while this 8th (who in my experience never says anything, just leeches) asshole just gets a free ride.

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That's fine to be angry about somebody leeching. In my case, I came to help. I only leeched as payback for people being assholes. I did it just to piss off the party leader. However, I don't think there is anything wrong with somebody showing up alone. In fact, because of the number of people that are sometimes waiting at the NPC, that's actually preferable. Chances are, if you bring a group of 4 to the NPC, some of those 4 are getting left out. Most of the time there are more than four peple already running the escort missing because it's the best way to get seals.