Console Players don't need Addons

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

What a disingenuous post, good god. The content is made to not require third party tools. The devs themselves clear them before releasing them. Console players are able to clear it just fine without these addons. Why the hell do you need them? You want to cheat because you don't want to put effort into the game but still want the prestige and rewards from that kind of content. If you could at least be honest about this I would have some semblence of respect for you guys. What I hate is how you gaslight about why you really want addons in the game. You just want to trivialize the content. You KNOW it is not necessary, but you don't want to put the effort into the game. Just fucking admit it and stop this fake victim complex and moral grandstanding.

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You do understand im a console player right?

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Originally Posted by MintnHoney

I think you need a break from trying so hard to undermine your peers.

You too, Yukiko.

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You misinterpret my intent. If I smell BS, I will call it out. If two things aren't adding up, I will ask to be enlightened. Those in opposition of my views do very little to remedy either, and basically default to a comment such as this one. I don't need to exert effort to undermine my peers if people so easily contradict themselves.

Console players on massive copium thinking SE will actually stop 3rd party addons.

Here’s reality: it’s going to continue and there’s nothing you can do to stop it.

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

So why do you?

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Let us know when you actually do ex, savage, ultimate content. Until then your opinion isn't worth much.

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Originally Posted by Ivtrix

Console players on massive copium thinking SE will actually stop 3rd party addons.

Here’s reality: it’s going to continue and there’s nothing you can do to stop it.

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My copium is thinking SE will make healers a balance tool set unlikely the current press L2+X for 90%+ of the fight. Is there a rehab for that? Or am i stuck like the OP?

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Originally Posted by QooEr

youre being intellecutally dishonest. addons go from things as harmless as "change the bgm" to actual cheating and automation. use some critical thinking for once and stop clumping them together and pretending people are all pining for the cheating ones.

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Remember the first words here. I am going to bring them back around. It is quite ironic, and even a bit humorous that you are telling me to use critical thinking and stop lumping everyone together, when I have yet to accuse anyone of cheating. I, like several other posters have asked why users of third party tools and addons need them. From what I can tell, these are coming from mostly console users who do not have access to these tools. Furthermore it also isn't this group of people who are stating that these tools put them at a disadvantage. How could we possibly know? We are deliberately told that we are placed at a disadvantage, and guess who says this? It's the third party tool users.

So with what you said to me earlier. Who exactly is being intellectually dishonest? It sure in hell isn't me.

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theres plugins that do help and make things "easier" but not by a substantial margin. theres one addon out there that makes battle countdowns show for every second instead of just the last 5. it makes it "easier" in that someone doesnt have to count in their heads to use sharpcast or whatever at -12 seconds, but do you seriously think theyre unable to do that themselves? moreover do you seriously think that being able to use sharpcast at exactly -12 is going to make someone suddenly able to clear savages and ultimates with no practice? youre just arguing in bad faith at that point.

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I agree, that would be arguing in bad faith; if any of this was my argument. You might want to reread this. You quite literally just told me that addons make things easier, how they do so, and then proceed to state that I'm claiming players are clearing savage and ultimate without practice. Not much else to say about that.

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

Thank you for agreeing with my point, your post could've stopped right here.

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Should've just expected you to be a troll instead of someone looking to have a serious conversation, honestly.

But it's safe to say that without any of these add-ons in the first place, SE probably wouldn't even be looking at improvements to the UI for everyone. Even if people don't use add-ons, I've seen quite a few (including console players) rely on others for things like DPS meters or other features they don't inherently have access to, especially over voice chat. You know, the other third party thing people often use to clear anything.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Let us know when you actually do ex, savage, ultimate content. Until then your opinion isn't worth much.

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uh hi! I have a couple of friends in our savage static who play on console and we managed to clear hard content no problem, thank you very much.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

uh hi! I have a couple of friends in our savage static who play on console and we managed to clear hard content no problem, thank you very much.

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Your friends in your static are fine-- the OP has already admitted that they don't do ex, savage, ultimate, ect content in another thread because it doesn't interest them. :P

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Originally Posted by Padudu

Your friends in your static are fine-- the OP has already admitted that they don't do ex, savage, ultimate, ect content in another thread because it doesn't interest them. :P

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I know, I'm just saying. Lets just not generalize people here in order to better your arguments.