Third party tools are a game design failing in a multi-platform game

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

Why did you bring CS into this? To fit what narrative? What does wallhack in CS have anything to do with UI tweaks for QoL in 14?

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Like the ones that actually added AoE markers to enemy attacks that were previously unannounced. It's only UI tweak right?

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Originally Posted by Jaquan

Like the ones that actually added AoE markers to enemy attacks that were previously unannounced. It's only UI tweak right?

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But how does it have anything to do with what I said?

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

But how does it have anything to do with what I said?

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If you can't win using rational argument, the next best step is to derail the thread. :-)

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Originally Posted by Jaquan

Like the ones that actually added AoE markers to enemy attacks that were previously unannounced. It's only UI tweak right?

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Why are you using a cheat as an example of a QoL? This is just bad faith, and you know it.

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

But how does it have anything to do with what I said?

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You asked how is wallhack from CS relevant when it comes to UI mods in FFXIV. I asked if you also include the mods that show up things we weren't supposed to see like certain AoEs of bosses. Because to me both CS wallhack and this fall under the same category.

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Originally Posted by Alaray

Why are you using a cheat as an example of a QoL? This is just bad faith, and you know it.

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Why do you only use simple QoL as example of plugins? Seeing other party members cooldowns also falls under the same category and yet posters don't see it as anything other than QoL.

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Originally Posted by Jaquan

Why do you only use simple QoL as example of plugins? Seeing other party members cooldowns also falls under the same category and yet posters don't see it as anything other than QoL.

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This is ridiculously disingenuous. Nobody is trying to say that cheat plugins don't exist, so stop using that as an argument, it's 100% in bad faith and we already know. You're not contributing anything to the discussion, because we already all agree that cheat plugin users should be banned.

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Originally Posted by Jaquan

You asked how is wallhack from CS relevant when it comes to UI mods in FFXIV. I asked if you also include the mods that show up things we weren't supposed to see like certain AoEs of bosses. Because to me both CS wallhack and this fall under the same category.

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

Why did you bring CS into this? To fit what narrative? What does wallhack in CS have anything to do with UI tweaks for QoL in 14?

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HOW?? Where??
I dun understan

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

A parser isnt QOL at all..its a tool misused and abused to berate, harass and discriminate against players. Personally Id like to see parsers under a blanket ban. You dont need them to run content and people clear content w/out them easily.

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This is such a bad-faith argument, the vast majority of people use it for self-improvement as a individual/group. Is it strictly needed? no, but it saves a lot of time progging when you can find out what you're doing wrong.

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Originally Posted by Jaquan

Why do you only use simple QoL as example of plugins? Seeing other party members cooldowns also falls under the same category and yet posters don't see it as anything other than QoL.

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Do you only understand things in binary? I'm not advocating for actual cheats to be used, things that deliberately affect others' experiences, things that deliberately alter the fundamental design philosophy of an encounter, automation of a character etc... I am advocating for plug-ins that are, otherwise, completely harmless and offer things like: being able to see your own CD timers/buff timers/have access to better color filter options/being able to choose whatever track you want to listen to/being able to use ACT etc...

Or do you see something as innocuous as choosing a song the same as fundamentally breaking a fight's core design philosophy?

Is nuance truly so dead? Even when it's hardly even that with such a leap?