PLZ, Make SMN's Physick scales with INT just like RDM's heal for the fairness!

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Originally Posted by Chasingstars

Ah okay, so you want king moogle mog to be indepedent, sort of like its own meter?
That could actually be very useful as a sort of thing summoner has access to help in case of emergency.
For resurrection purpose, might be useful for modifying the rez button, such as being able to revive as an instant cast, but still costs 2500 mp, mostly so its not quite a healer lb3.

As for other ones, they could in theory add more, demi summons like ravana or bismark.

Mostly contemplating it from playing summoner myself and knowing that simple potency changes, while helpful, are not exactly fixing core issues with their kit.
Such as with physick here feeling out of place.

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If Moogle mog can be an instant cast ress, that would be broken for any job tbh unless the ress skill shares a cd resource for DPS.
But honestly, having a resource meter for borrowing summons temporarily outside of the current gauge system sounds like a great way to make SMN feel complete by giving it flexibility and complexity.
Having the decision to choose between Moogle mog, Ravana, Bismark, etc. and changing some skills in addition to using Ifrit/Garuda/Titan/Bahamut/Phoenix would feel really nice between phases.

So with that gauge you guys came up with. Just replace aetherflow with this idea or somehow combine it with aetherflow?

I had some ideas to fill this gauge with.
Like the egi charges we spent generate gauge. Not astral flow. Then lower the timer on de egi summon. Lower the timer from 30 sec cause good lord is that way to generous. And so not being able to land ifrit hard cast (mainly XD) is punished with less gauge.

Now just have elemental mastery I between lvl 50 - 60 and elemental mastery II at lvl 86.

Oh fuck i gave too much complexity to SMN.

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Originally Posted by Chasingstars

Ah okay, so you want king moogle mog to be indepedent, sort of like its own meter?
That could actually be very useful as a sort of thing summoner has access to help in case of emergency.
For resurrection purpose, might be useful for modifying the rez button, such as being able to revive as an instant cast, but still costs 2500 mp, mostly so its not quite a healer lb3.

As for other ones, they could in theory add more, demi summons like ravana or bismark.

Mostly contemplating it from playing summoner myself and knowing that simple potency changes, while helpful, are not exactly fixing core issues with their kit.
Such as with physick here feeling out of place.

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I never would have thought to put Egi on a gauge meter, but sure, let's go with that. I like the idea! xD

Though, the Mog raise, if made an instant cast, needs some sort of drawback so it won't be too powerful and ready at any given time. Maybe increase the amount of mp it uses by double, but in exchange, you have another primal or even Carbuncle that can somehow regenerate your MP by absorbing the HP of targeted forces??? Basically, turn Carbuncle into our old Energy Drain. xD

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Originally Posted by AnotherPerson

If Moogle mog can be an instant cast ress, that would be broken for any job tbh unless the ress skill shares a cd resource for DPS.
But honestly, having a resource meter for borrowing summons temporarily outside of the current gauge system sounds like a great way to make SMN feel complete by giving it flexibility and complexity.
Having the decision to choose between Moogle mog, Ravana, Bismark, etc. and changing some skills in addition to using Ifrit/Garuda/Titan/Bahamut/Phoenix would feel really nice between phases.

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Maybe have the King Moggle Mog Egi Physick and Raise be linked to another Egi that performs the opposite effect? Since, I assume King Moggle Mog is a Light based Primal, maybe making it so Eden Cloud of Darkness could be its antithesis? So instead of raising allies, like King Moggle Mog, maybe she could cause Vulnerability effects across groups of enemies and also slap them all with a status effect that essentially acts as both a DoT effect, but also an HP draining effect that can be used to both heal the SMN and restore their MP bit by bit over time. Since CoD is a voidsent, I thought a potential Eden Egi version of her doing that would be quite fitting, lol!

I wholeheartedly agree! The current Egi summoning system is still too rigid. It would be nice to be able to summon whatever primal we want at any given time without them being linked to eachother and their Elder Primal counterparts being trapped behind prerequisite in order to summon them.

Maybe if you have your meter charged up enough, Elder Primal, like Bahamut, Phoenix, Alexander and Odin can be summoned, while with a small amount of the gauge filled, weaker Egi can be summoned, like the current trinity we have right now and much more.

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Originally Posted by Ralt21

So with that gauge you guys came up with. Just replace aetherflow with this idea or somehow combine it with aetherflow?

I had some ideas to fill this gauge with.
Like the egi charges we spent generate gauge. Not astral flow. Then lower the timer on de egi summon. Lower the timer from 30 sec cause good lord is that way to generous. And so not being able to land ifrit hard cast (mainly XD) is punished with less gauge.

Now just have elemental mastery I between lvl 50 - 60 and elemental mastery II at lvl 86.

Oh fuck i gave too much complexity to SMN.

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I love all of these ideas!!! :D

And yeah, full Egi summoning between level 50 and 60 needs to happen!

Brainstorming:

Hmm, maybe King Moogle Mog's meter fills after summoning each of Ifrit, Titan, Garuda?
That when the king is summoned, it turns Physick into, to borrow blue mage for a second, Pom Cure.
That for summoner is an off-GCD heal that scales with intelligence.
Each use of 'Pom Cure' would consume 25% of the king's meter.

King Moogle Mog also turns Resurrection into Mooglesse Oblige.
Mooglesse Oblige consumes 50% of the meter and requires a stack of aetherflow.
But is an instant cast raise.

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Originally Posted by Chasingstars

Brainstorming:

Hmm, maybe King Moogle Mog's meter fills after summoning each of Ifrit, Titan, Garuda?
That when the king is summoned, it turns Physick into, to borrow blue mage for a second, Pom Cure.
That for summoner is an off-GCD heal that scales with intelligence.
Each use of 'Pom Cure' would consume 25% of the king's meter.

King Moogle Mog also turns Resurrection into Mooglesse Oblige.
Mooglesse Oblige consumes 50% of the meter and requires a stack of aetherflow.
But is an instant cast raise.

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Am i wrong for think that if this was implemented, SMN would exactuely compete with RDM?

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Originally Posted by Chasingstars

Brainstorming:

Hmm, maybe King Moogle Mog's meter fills after summoning each of Ifrit, Titan, Garuda?
That when the king is summoned, it turns Physick into, to borrow blue mage for a second, Pom Cure.
That for summoner is an off-GCD heal that scales with intelligence.
Each use of 'Pom Cure' would consume 25% of the king's meter.

King Moogle Mog also turns Resurrection into Mooglesse Oblige.
Mooglesse Oblige consumes 50% of the meter and requires a stack of aetherflow.
But is an instant cast raise.

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Correct me if i am wrong. If this was implemented it would mean that RDM has a real competiter for reviver, no?
Justifying a need for another caster. This one being selfish or what ever gimick it has but with no reviving skills. This one competing with BLM.

rubbing hands come my geomancer.

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Originally Posted by Ralt21

Correct me if i am wrong. If this was implemented it would mean that RDM has a real competiter for reviver, no?
Justifying a need for another caster. This one being selfish or what ever gimick it has but with no reviving skills. This one competing with BLM.

rubbing hands come my geomancer.

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To an extent yes, rdm's benefit is they can get off 3 revives, 4 w/ lucid, 5-6 with lucid + HQ super-ether + normal mp regain ticks.

Main idea I had would be for king moogle ressurection and king moogle physick to actually compete with each other for meter as a balancing factor.

Other method could just simply be modify Resurrection into a 90s or 120s cd rez with 2500 mp cost and is instant cast.

I don't even need them to buff it or make it a viable cure, just do something with it. Trait it into another skill or have it interact with the Phoenix summon in some way, just something to make it useful even if it is a niche not very widely useful skill.

I'll be fine with Summoner getting physick scale off Int when RDM gets a 20% damage shield with extremely low cooldown (or any personal defensive OGCD, it's the only DPS that has NO personal OGCD defensive), an AoE regen, or even a personal ogcd regen.

Until then, no, it really isn't fair is it?

Summoners have an AoE defensive utility in Phoenix phase, they have an ogcd regen they can wear on themselves or slap on the tank, and they have Radiant Aegis just sitting there making them tanky af as a caster.

Why would you want a spell that's worse than Physick that doesn't do anything for you?!