Request for Better Dev Communication Regarding Job Balancing and Adjustments

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Originally Posted by Chasingstars

The best you can do is submit your feedback to the devs in a polite manner. Then they will silently look at the feedback given, consult their peers about it, and brainstorm what to do with that information and whether its actually worthwhile.

At this point in time the devs do read and care. The more barbed the discussions get, the less they are likely to listen. Simple as.

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I don't know how many times this has to be proven false. They outright claim ignorance of seeing no feedback on HIGHLY discussed topics both on the official forums and outside of the forums. See: DRK. They deliberately dodge questions by saying "Just play ultimate lol" when asked about Healers spamming 1 button to do damage. Tone policing serves literally no purpose. Especially when it's been extremely tame in the vast vast vast majority of discussion. I think most game designers can only dream they had the amicable feedback that our community gives the FFXIV team as a whole.

I just want to know why they're removing 1 button from samurai because of "button bloat" but ninja got 3 new buttons this expac. I'm on controller and I can't even fit bloodbath+second wind on my bars now. Though I'm hoping the controller changes that didn't get shown off at the LL will mitigate this.

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Originally Posted by SeaJae

I don't know how many times this has to be proven false. They outright claim ignorance of seeing no feedback on HIGHLY discussed topics both on the official forums and outside of the forums. See: DRK. They deliberately dodge questions by saying "Just play ultimate lol" when asked about Healers spamming 1 button to do damage. Tone policing serves literally no purpose, especially when it's been extremely tame in the vast vast vast majority of discussion.

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Thats right, we must show them how angry we are.

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Originally Posted by SeaJae

I don't know how many times this has to be proven false. They outright claim ignorance of seeing no feedback on HIGHLY discussed topics both on the official forums and outside of the forums. See: DRK. They deliberately dodge questions by saying "Just play ultimate lol" when asked about Healers spamming 1 button to do damage. Tone policing serves literally no purpose, especially when it's been extremely tame in the vast vast vast majority of discussion.

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The road to thinking antagonizing the devs is just the same road as wow players asking a dev to go get hit by a bus when it came to a shaman feedback thread. Not very constructive.

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Originally Posted by Whalaqee

The road to thinking antagonizing the devs is just the same road as wow players asking a dev to go get hit by a bus when it came to a shaman feedback thread. Not very constructive.

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yet unlike that, you have hundreds of civilized post containing feedbacks and offer suggestions to fix issues, but all of that ignored cause they are not dps related so its fine? so you think it was ok to ignore such issues?

ignoring those issues for years, telling the communities we ignore feedback and u think it will be ok and civil if u simply said 'we dont care what you said, suffer a full expansion with the bugs ignored' but in a nice tone will tone down the rage?

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Originally Posted by CrimsonGunner

yet unlike that, you have hundreds of civilized post containing feedbacks and offer suggestions to fix issues, but all of that ignored cause they are not dps related so its fine? so you think it was ok to ignore such issues?

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I am simply saying that its not an excuse to behave in such a manner. Its a quick road to burning bridges and severing communication. I seen this happen in the wow forums.

Going to be serious here. The thing about giving out criticism is to not go to either extreme. We cant sugercoat our feedback or else the devs wont take us seriously but we also cant blurt out obscenities or harass them for changes because that toxic negativity will overshadow the genuine concerns being made. It helps nobody.

Just cut the bs, be flat out stern with the problems you have and get like minded individuals to help spread the word around, especially on official media outlets for FFXIV such as their twitter.

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Originally Posted by Whalaqee

The road to thinking antagonizing the devs is just the same road as wow players asking a dev to go get hit by a bus when it came to a shaman feedback thread. Not very constructive.

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No where did I advocate for antagonizing the devs. My post simply said that that when it comes to many issues, it is clear they aren't looking hard enough at feedback given, even in their own backyard of the official forums. And, that tone policing an extremely amicable avenue of feedback being given, especially here, only serves to stifle criticism. Also, I believe that road you pulled out of an extreme outlier is named the "Slippery Slope Fallacy Blvd."

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Originally Posted by Whalaqee

I am simply saying that its not an excuse to behave in such a manner. Its a quick road to burning bridges and severing communication. I seen this happen in the wow forums.

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i am quite mad at them too and i am not going to encourage such crazy actions but im not surprised at how thing is slowly turning.
any burned bridge is direct results of the devs way of ignoring the players.
hrotager haircuts....., healers issues left ignored....., drk LD that only now being address and it still questionable how....., doing changes no one asked for( mug,TA and kaiten).

any resentment is right now a direct results of ignored feedback and that is on the devs and mods not addressing issues.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Going to be serious here. The thing about giving out criticism is to not go to either extreme. We cant sugercoat our feedback or else the devs wont take us seriously but we also cant blurt out obscenities or harass them for changes because that toxic negativity will overshadow the genuine concerns being made. It helps nobody.

Just cut the bs, be flat out stern with the problems you have and get like minded individuals to help spread the word around, especially on official media outlets for FFXIV such as their twitter.

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This post here is the proper way to go about sending feedback. It is fine to state what a problem is, lacing it in sugar or venom however ruins the feedback.