Sundering stuff established in the Q&A

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Originally Posted by Alleo

But why then would there be so many different races? If cat ears solve the hearing problem why would Au Ra exist? And why would they get tails or scales? And what would happen if the soul was whole again? Would some races just get super hearing? Why were there not many differences between us and the people of the first? If the sundering impacts the people so much that one can lose their hearing, why are there no power (and other) differences between us?

For me that anwer just did not make much sense...but I guess that is how it is.

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Since we now got the confirmation that the summoners died since they got all their souls sucked up, does that mean that Elidibus too was completely destroyed since he said that he would use every bit of his aether to send us in the past? If so kinda poetic that both the hearts of the elder primals would end up being destroyed.

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It’s pretty sad to me just how much Elidibus got done dirty honestly. 0 recognition for basically sacrificing his entire soul for us. Instead Venat gets all the praise for….allowing calamities to happen and commit mass genocide. Yes please craft this minion in honor of her. Yes please yoshi p i want this amazing “mother’s blessing” watching over me forever.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

It’s pretty sad to me just how much Elidibus got done dirty honestly. 0 recognition for basically sacrificing his entire soul for us. Instead Venat gets all the praise for….allowing calamities to happen and commit mass genocide. Yes please craft this minion in honor of her. Yes please yoshi p i want this amazing “mother’s blessing” watching over me forever.

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Hahaha... you know I'm not team Hydaelyn or anything, but my goodness the way you rag on her you make it sound like she Sundered YOUR world.

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Originally Posted by SpectrePhantasia

Hahaha... you know I'm not team Hydaelyn or anything, but my goodness the way you rag on her you make it sound like she Sundered YOUR world.

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Considering i valued this games story so much….her and this expansion effectively did. No hope of rejoining either ;c

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Originally Posted by Kozh

Did Ultima even used for calamity? I don't think so. Considering the WoL regale her with their story, might be that she thought not sealing Ultima will affect the timeline. Either that or simply because ultima threatens the Source, and She can't have that can she, since the final fight against meteion hasn't happened yet.

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I mean I really doubt that we would tell her every little detail about the history of our planet. Maybe we simply said that the world was sundered, Emet, Lahabrea and Elidibus escaped the sundering and that right now x amount of shards got rejoined. Also that seemingly Emet recreated Amaurot and that we defeated him there. So maybe she knew that the First was important but I doubt that she knew exactly which shard would get a rejoining and when it would happen. (I am not even sure if our WoL knows that)

Of course she could have sat there, counting the amount of rejoinings and the remaining time until we are born and be like "welp time to help or it will be out of order" but I really doubt that.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Since we now got the confirmation that the summoners died since they got all their souls sucked up, does that mean that Elidibus too was completely destroyed since he said that he would use every bit of his aether to send us in the past? If so kinda poetic that both the hearts of the elder primals would end up being destroyed.

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This reminds me I need to look at the other languages' lines in that scene. I feel like that would be too sad an end for him, especially with him being our lead in Panda. Perma death would mean he would never be reunited with his friends in the lifestream ;;

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Originally Posted by Kozh

Did Ultima even used for calamity? I don't think so. Considering the WoL regale her with their story, might be that she thought not sealing Ultima will affect the timeline. Either that or simply because ultima threatens the Source, and She can't have that can she, since the final fight against meteion hasn't happened yet.

And the prevented calamity you mentioned, the First? She definitely knew how crucial it is in order for us to defeat emet and elidibus there and for the time travel technology. So of course she's going to prevent it. But the other seven calamites? rip to those shards.

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I say Ultima was plausibly another Calamity that she stopped because Ultima generally checks the boxes of other confirmed Calamity-capable things we've seen and stopped that weren't actually causing Calamities at the time (Ultima Weapon, King Thordan, Alexander, Shinryu, Eden). Granted, those boxes are basically 'big, scary and conspicuously timable', but it's also notable that the situation around her was fairly close to the time of the Fourth Umbral Calamity, and she appears largely earth-elemental from her fight and concept. All that suggests that she might possibly have been planned by the Ascians to be a potential catalyst for the Calamity eventually caused by the Crystal Tower. Which, again, is a big reason why Hydaelyn would've had trouble; the Ascians had the capacity to get a lot of balls rolling and don't really mind how many don't hit the mark as long as one eventually does, while Hydaelyn would have needed to block every single goal.

But again, I say 'plausible', because while it sounds legit if you were to say that was what was going on, there's no actual evidence for this.

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Originally Posted by Lurina

- The Unsundered released from Zodiark/Emet and Hythlo may be reborn later with some kind of special powers, but probably not creation magic.

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Translation: We know twitter thinks they're hot and they don't want to think they'll never see the characters again so we have a safeguard in case we need to bring them back.

Goes to show that A) Papalymo would be brought back if he had been popular enough and B) It doesn't matter how much of a freaking genocide that involves even those who had nothing to do with your losses. Even Vaultry would get a legion of fawning fans if he looked hot and had a tragic motive.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

I mean I really doubt that we would tell her every little detail about the history of our planet. Maybe we simply said that the world was sundered, Emet, Lahabrea and Elidibus escaped the sundering and that right now x amount of shards got rejoined. Also that seemingly Emet recreated Amaurot and that we defeated him there. So maybe she knew that the First was important but I doubt that she knew exactly which shard would get a rejoining and when it would happen. (I am not even sure if our WoL knows that)

Of course she could have sat there, counting the amount of rejoinings and the remaining time until we are born and be like "welp time to help or it will be out of order" but I really doubt that.

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I doubt our character even knows all the little tidbits of and histories of ALL the calamities. Take the Encyclopedia Eorzea for instance, written from what they are saying the point of view of an eorzean, and it can't even really tell us when the first calamity happened. So the knowledge she had would have been limited to what the WoL knew and what the WoL told them.

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Originally Posted by Rokke

This reminds me I need to look at the other languages' lines in that scene. I feel like that would be too sad an end for him, especially with him being our lead in Panda. Perma death would mean he would never be reunited with his friends in the lifestream ;;

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Sadly it wouldn’t surprise me. It seems Elidibus isn’t as popular as the holy trinity of Venat Hythlo and Emet, so it seems that’s why he was just kind of shafted as a character and written off so quickly. The heart of the first Elder primal killed off in 5 mins of the expansion supposed to be ending their arc lol.

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Originally Posted by Rannie

I doubt our character even knows all the little tidbits of and histories of ALL the calamities. Take the Encyclopedia Eorzea for instance, written from what they are saying the point of view of an eorzean, and it can't even really tell us when the first calamity happened. So the knowledge she had would have been limited to what the WoL knew and what the WoL told them.

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Assuming the WoL knows all the side quest chains, the stuff they were actually told about the Calamities from my recollection...

1-3: Absolute zip-nothing.
4: Earthquake caused when the Crystal Tower launched Dalamud, by Emet-Selch and Fandaniel. That sounds like a lot of info, but nothing actually useful for stopping it.
5: ???
6: Caused by the Elementals, probably. This is more just accepted public assertion rather than actually evidenced, but there's not much else around the War of the Magi that could've caused a flood like that.
7: This one we've got good intel on: the Dalamud drop, caused by Lahabrea with some distant aid by Emet-Selch, through the Seventh Legion. However, also remember that this Calamity didn't actually cause widespread destruction on the Source, thanks to the actions of--hold on this might be important--a group of Hydaelyn worshippers.

So we don't have anything useful about most of the Calamities, and the only one we do have actionable info on... well, she might've already acted to lessen the impact.