What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Agreed. I don't think it was a particularly satisfying trial, either. The first phase is decent though the second phase consisting of the boss almost exclusively just flailing about did very little for me.

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It's probably a nice reprieve for those whose nerves were already frayed by the time the CS hit. lol. But yeah, 40% HP worth of wing swishing and basic aoe dodge/heal was a unique call. :X

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Originally Posted by ddwarbird

Her voice is really creepy, her personality is the same "pathetic girl" trope you see in a lot of animes/games (Colette from Tales of Symphonia springs to mind). As soon as I saw her, I thought... Yeah, this girl is going to be a villain. They may not being objectifying but why have a character like that in the game at all? I found her creepy and rather annoying in Elpis. Her plot arc is essentially "becoming an emo because the universe isn't what you want it to be". Its really shallow if I'm honest... plus she isn't wearing any trousers.

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I had a rather similar impression of her. Can't say I enjoyed the trial with her much, either.

@OP

The Lord Of The Rings Trilogy - the OP version


A long time ago some emo dark elf wanted to be the boss . so he made some rings and they enthrall people somehow


The rings ruin stuff then they have to go stop the evil elf because stuff is bad so they realise to kill the evil they need to kill the elf with the master alexa ring that knows all controls all so they go to mordor the place you can breathe in ok but centuries later you cant for plot reasons


They kill the big bad and the human king dies but his son cuts the fingers off the bad elf and stuff his kingky finger into the dark alexa elf ring whilst the bad elf blows up and kills everyone well noty quite but its loads


Some elf lord takes the kings son up the mountain to the BBQ hall of dark lords and demands the kings son drop the ring into the fire , doesnt do anything when the kings son refiuses and lets the son walk away thusly not ending the reign of alexa and her all seeing all knowing powerful eye


Along the way the dirty elf ring still has power and it uses bluetooth and wifi to reconnect to amazon AWS but it cant so it tries to subdue humans instead and it works


Everyone wants the filthy ring and eventually the new king is killed and the ring leaps off his hand and decides to drown itself instead thusly delaying the big bezos reconnect



many centuries past and ther stuff happens


yade yadda......




etc etc



See we top can make a huge epic story about journey , struggle and strife sound as basic as you made the whole end of FF14 saga be

This expansion was a major letdown for me in the overall ending story of ARR and I found it to be incredibly weak following ShB. It what it is, not every expansion in a game can be a home run.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

I dont see how theyre really misguided. This entire 8-10 year arc has been dubbed the Hydaelyn AND ZODIARK arc. Yet, the heart of Zodiark is dealt with within 2 patches(one technically) and zodiark himself is dealt with early on in the expansion that is supposed to be tying up the arc. His heart is then also killed off within 5 minutes. Meanwhile weve had hydaelyn talking in our ear since the beginning of the game and venat had an entire arc in elpis. Not to mention Venat and Hydaelyn being painted as the savior and Zodiark/Elidibus getting basically 0 credit.I think it wouldve been far more interesting to see more of Elidibus along with Zodiark together much how we saw hydaelyn numerous times.Instead he was just used as a prop and killed off swiftly. I think its especially sad when you have a character like Zenos who outlived such important and prominent characters all for him to not even get any lore built on his past plot points(why hes so strong, his memories of the final days etc etc.)

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I'll hold off judgement for now. Pandaemonium has potential for undoing all of these complaints.

I, at least, was satisfied with the time given to Elidibus in 5.3. Hydaelyn has said plenty to us throughout the story, but not much meaningful until we speak to Venat in Elpis.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Agreed. I don't think it was a particularly satisfying trial, either. The first phase is decent though the second phase consisting of the boss almost exclusively just flailing about did very little for me.

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I thought this was incredibly good visual storytelling. In the first phase, she's cool, calm, detached, and collected.

This totally changes in the second stage. She's panicking at that point. She's the sum total of the despair of all those civilizations. They confronted their ends and couldn't handle it. She says things like "We can't suffer that again". She's flailing out like that because she's scared. I saw someone mention the meaning of her attacks before, too. Telos apparently means purpose. Telomania means obsession with purpose. You're going to cause the universe to live on and there will be more pain and suffering and she's desperate to stop you.

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Originally Posted by Ryaz

He wouldn't have been much. He was created to be a tool to stop the Final Days and without Elidibus as his heart, he was basically just a mindless zombie.

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Thats my point though, it didnt need to be that way, we could easily have gone and retriebved elidibus and popped him back into Zodiark. Or they could have simply had his departure meant Zodiark was weaker and the swimming souls within became his "core" There were a lot of options.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

I thought this was incredibly good visual storytelling. In the first phase, she's cool, calm, detached, and collected.

This totally changes in the second stage. She's panicking at that point. She's the sum total of the despair of all those civilizations. They confronted their ends and couldn't handle it. She says things like "We can't suffer that again". She's flailing out like that because she's scared. I saw someone mention the meaning of her attacks before, too. Telos apparently means purpose. Telomania means obsession with purpose. You're going to cause the universe to live on and there will be more pain and suffering and she's desperate to stop you.

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Its pretty much the same thing with Thordan. After the Huge Knights of the Round Attack Phase (Totally Boss Callback Reference)
Thordan thought that would be your undoing, your Death. But because you survived, its like...what do I do now? Thats All I had! A Thousand Years of Prayer to obtain such power and it wasn't enough!??
-Flails because he doesn't know what to do-

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

I thought this was incredibly good visual storytelling. In the first phase, she's cool, calm, detached, and collected.

This totally changes in the second stage. She's panicking at that point. She's the sum total of the despair of all those civilizations. They confronted their ends and couldn't handle it. She says things like "We can't suffer that again". She's flailing out like that because she's scared. I saw someone mention the meaning of her attacks before, too. Telos apparently means purpose. Telomania means obsession with purpose. You're going to cause the universe to live on and there will be more pain and suffering and she's desperate to stop you.

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Telos means the same as "end" and can be used in a similar manner, either to denote purpose (e.g. in a word like teleological) or end in the usual sense (hence, Telophoroi.)

I'll just throw my 2 cents in here. And I would like to say, this is really my personal opinion, nothing else.

I liked the story for what it was meant to do, aka end the Zodiark/Hydaelyn saga.

But outside of that ? It really felt lackluster, rushed and average at best, the pacing was really all over the place. But what ever, I overall got what I paid for.
This has also a lot to do with me really getting tired of this world savior role and I hope that the implications from the story show true that we return to just being a "normal" (as a savior of the universe can be) adventurer.

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