Healers please

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Did anyone die?

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No, because they were all spamming their self healing skills and begging the PLDs to save them.

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Originally Posted by Recon1o6

Something OP and a few others here seem to forget is how strong the regen healing is and how rare unavoidable raidwide damage is

As healers, our job is to keep the party alive for the next unavoidable bout of damage (topping off is only neccessary with doom or white hole) dish out our share of the damage, then fix the mistakes of the other players (top them up/rez)

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Exactly. I imagine the OP and a lot of people even in this thread have what I call "lifebar anxiety". Just because HP looks low doesn't mean you'll die to the next mechanic, the job of a healer is the keep people alive, not keep people at 100% at all-times.

Like WHM should use up asylum and lilies, the bell and everything else before Medica II is ever needed.

If anything Endwalker addressed this even better with bell because White Mage was always the 'weakest' healer at the beginning of fights.

The way optimized groups worked was they do let the SCH use the fairy and/or Whispering Dawn to regen heal beginning of fights over casting Medica II or Cure III. Or AST's Earthly Star would blow up and handle the healing. All the while the WHM builds up the lily bar.

Current the EX contents do not need any GCD heal, period. Regardless of the healer combo you have, there are enough ... no ... MORE than enough oGCD to keep the party up. If you are for any reason feel you have to cover for your co-healer, then that mean you are either overcompensating out of anxiety, or your co-healer is not pressing their oGCD. The DPS argument is completely irrelvant, you just have the case of bad healers one way or another.

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Originally Posted by LazyMemories

As a healer myself. I'm often go into extreme fights thinking other healers will heal and or aoe heal for stacked markers, but what I'm left with is they keep dpsing.

I know more damage the better but please if I wanted to solo heal I'll put a pf up and solo heal. I like to dps to. Not sure if this is a trend now but its almost every time I do a extreme now a healer doesn't want to heal.

Now I know whm brings the big heals with cure 3 and I could heal through it but I should expect some help.

I went in with my sage once and this whm never put up a medica 2 or cure 3 just kept dpsing away and I'm stuck doing all the healing.

So please I beg of you. do some aoe healing succor, medica 2 cure 3 if close, medica, prognosis ect.

Sorry about this rant just had to get it off my chest

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I had another healer (I was the second healer) in an alliance raid straight up tell me, if you need to heal in this raid you're bad. And then they literally did not heal a single time during even though people did still need healing. And I was just like.. people still take damage though? new players are still learning mechs though?? I don't understand the mentality of playing a healer and then refusing to heal and leaving it all to the other healer. yes, I get balance healing and dps but just not healing is toxic and if so why even play a healer.

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Originally Posted by LazyMemories

As a healer myself. I'm often go into extreme fights thinking other healers will heal and or aoe heal for stacked markers, but what I'm left with is they keep dpsing.

I know more damage the better but please if I wanted to solo heal I'll put a pf up and solo heal. I like to dps to. Not sure if this is a trend now but its almost every time I do a extreme now a healer doesn't want to heal.

Now I know whm brings the big heals with cure 3 and I could heal through it but I should expect some help.

I went in with my sage once and this whm never put up a medica 2 or cure 3 just kept dpsing away and I'm stuck doing all the healing.

So please I beg of you. do some aoe healing succor, medica 2 cure 3 if close, medica, prognosis ect.

Sorry about this rant just had to get it off my chest

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The WHM probably didn't use Medica 2 because an Afflatus Rapture is good enough or even add an Asylum.

Just like a decent SCH doesn't need Succor much when Sacred Soil / Indom / Whispering Dawn can cover most anything especially if the Indom has Recitation before it.

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Originally Posted by Quintessa

No, because they were all spamming their self healing skills and begging the PLDs to save them.

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If they were slamming their self heals then they were doing it right. Those self heals don't exist to be ignored. Especially the melee with Bloodbath. If they are halfway decent, Bloodbath can get them to full easily.

I wish there were more "floor is lava" mechanics where the raid takes periodic damage for either the entire fight or several minutes straight just to give healers something to do besides DPS and weave their big oGCD heal for everything.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

I usually leave my psychic shoes at home when I go into raids so if you have an easy way to figure out if the other healer has a plan, or even intends to heal, that would be wonderful. please educate us on this ability

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Oh man this reminds me of a really weird week pugging Omega savage learning parties in PF back in SB. I main sch, among the pugs was a healer. They did zero healing and we wiped because of it, not surprising because we were a learning party. When we asked why they didn't heal they said "you have a sch they should solo heal". Pugged again later that week. Got a different healer who did zero dps and began to flame me in chat for healing even though it was clear they couldn't handle it on their own. Their reasoning was "you're the sch so you do the dps". These two incidents happened in the exact same fight lol. Which was o7s in case anyone is wondering.

Neither healer told us they were going to entirely disregard part of their kit during combat. They both expected completely opposite playstyles from me and were both surprised that I didn't know exactly what they intended to do.

Healers are supposed to heal and dps. They have buttons for both. If you're only going to fulfil one part of your role you should inform the party before you even pull. No one is psychic. And if it's a learning party you honestly should expect to use more than one part of your kit. I would even go as far as to say the same for pugs because pugs are lottery. You have no idea how good they will be.

Yes yes efficiency and all that but it's not really efficient to not inform your team that you refuse to heal or dps and expect them to just magically play perfectly around it from the moment you pull.

When I started to level a WHM I was just about to enter into a duty with two healers and I asked in FC chat - what's the deal with two healers like does one heal the main tank and the others the dps or what. The best reply I got was "that's what party chat is for - communicate never assume"

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Originally Posted by RecoveryPotion

I had another healer (I was the second healer) in an alliance raid straight up tell me, if you need to heal in this raid you're bad. And then they literally did not heal a single time during even though people did still need healing. And I was just like.. people still take damage though? new players are still learning mechs though?? I don't understand the mentality of playing a healer and then refusing to heal and leaving it all to the other healer. yes, I get balance healing and dps but just not healing is toxic and if so why even play a healer.

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OP is talking about non-practice extreme party & is in NA data center. When joining PF that is not for progging, there are certain degree of competency expected from everybody joining said PF: new, learning players should not even be there.

Meanwhile alliance raids or basically any DF contents is an entirely different mixed bag. These two occasions cannot be compared & it’s okay to be more cautious… to certain extent as well because surprise(?!), depending on which raid there will also be certain degree of expectation. I.e. I’m absolutely not going to go out my way to heal that MCH who really love to fire away from Narnia in Ivalice Raids. They have 70 levels worth of gameplay to learn that they should never wander too far away from their healer for extended time. I’m also not going to keep that SAM with 4+ vuln stacks alive because they won’t bother to move out of bad stuff, they have more than enough gameplay time to know that orange/red markers are not areas they should be standing in. If 70 levels did not teach them any of this then honestly I don’t know what else besides untimely deaths will.

Starting to see healers not heal at all. Last roulette did both healers let the tanks died and half the dps.