Samurai needs damage buffs

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Originally Posted by FlareVyzar

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I know how week 1 clears work as much as math works and other stuff. I´ve played blind with one or another static too when i had more time or until i mentioned that someone is abusing a bot. Those have just been examples how incorrect the system is in some way, when ppl are like "wooooh my percentage".

The MNK thing was just an example too and ofcourse you can count chakra just as a bonus. But you seem to take the best case szenarios in mind, the reality looks mostly different. You need a good team to make such things happen. But no matter if it´s ingame or in here in the forum, the most FF14 players are casual or mediocre. Half of them can´t even analyze stuff in logs or analyzes. Some are able to, but don´t understand it correctly or are not able to perform it better.
If you don´t play in a badass group, you´re forced to adapt on the circumstances and you´ve to optimize on what is given and in the most cases you do even have to play close to the enrage. And there even such little things like a teamcomp can make a difference, especially when you want to optimize like 100dps.

Yes i feel free about my privacy and will never do it. Either you can trust in my words or not. You could even judge about the stuff you can see on my alt, i don´t mind. I know how such logs happened and the circumstances i play and rely on. Ppl actually give such stuff way too much weight and forget things, which are way more important than some numbers in my eyes.


And well, if you read your stuff by yourself, you should see that you claimed a lot about "check out" etc., as much as those 99 logs on X classes and whatever. That´s pretty much the ec comparison / elitism talk, even if this is not intended. A link to balance would´ve probably been enough. Ppl can´t copy / paste the stuff anyway, they just need some advice and grow by themself.

I haven't seen anyone say that there is absolutely zero room for '' freestyling '', things are not literally always going to line up perfectly and you need to be adaptable.
But we're not actually talking about that, what we're talking about are people who don't even bother to actually learn what is essentially the base rotation.

It's like in the positionals discussion too where people start with saying that positionals don't matter, and then the conversation suddenly shifts into some weird strawman that people who say that they do are supposedly saying that you should literally get yourself killed in a fight just to not miss one positional.
Even when people said the exact opposite the comment just before that.
In reality what we were actually talking about was people who are just making up excuses to not make any effort to land even one and are intentionally ignoring them.
And it's the same here when people come in and say that rotations don't matter and that you should just go in and freestyle.
Not only do people have wildly different ideas of what that actually means ( looking at most SAM players I think one can get a good idea tho and it's not good... ), but it also imbues readers with this mindset and belief that they don't need to learn anything and can just run in and improvise it.
And then a lot of these same people end up complaining about their damage being low and SAM needing buffs.

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Originally Posted by Garnix

Most players play freestyle if that's the definition of it.
That's not only true for SAM.
Some players play complete freestyle.
Some players learn their openers and then play "freestyle".
A very minor percentage of the player base learn how to play correctly with raid buff windows and perfect alignment of their rotation and all that.
And there is a reason for that: it doesn't really matter. :p

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No, being bad is not equal to freestyling.
Freestyle SAM is a term for people that know their rotation in general but misalign everything. Why do they misalign it?
Because it naturally misaligns. No matter which GCD you're playing on, SAM is naturally misaligned if you keep using combos, collecting stickers and consuming them with Higanbana/ Midare instead of using Hagakure.
But using Hagakure correctly to keep everything in alignment isn't something you can tell just by reading tooltips.
A NIN is naturally aligned because their skills have a 60s/ 120s cooldown without anything naturally messing it up. 3 Mudras per cycle, one for Suiton, up to two for TA. It's straightforward. Use TA, dump everything you have into it.
Freestyling on SAM usually hasn't anything to do with being bad, they generally try to keep their buffs up, keep Higanbana up, use damage buffs on Midare, dump Kenki as necessary and so on but still suffer a hefty dps loss by freestyling instead of playing a loop because without Hagakura, it's all misaligned sooner or later. Even if you play the basics perfectly (keep buffs up, keep dot up, use things on cooldown) you will suffer a noticable dps loss from natural misalignment. It doesn't need damage buffs, people that really want to do high dps should learn the loop, plain and simple.

Being bad is not using jumps on DRG when it's free damage and a no brainer to use on cooldown or not using your melee combo on RDM. That's not freestyling, that's being bad.

Can I clear content with only using Cure II and Medica II, not using any mitigation, playing my sub-50 Fire 1 spam rotation, never using jumps, not using TA etc? Obviously.
But I hope you're not encouraging it just because it's possible. Most of it is easy enough to do, why not do it is the far better question.
And if someone is making mistakes it's fine and just a matter of keep practicing it.

All I am saying is that a large portion of the player base rarely even see an enrage cast bar filling up because they (and/or their teammates) are either over-geared or not good enough to reach it.
Therefore, improving their skills to meet the DPS checks is obviously not a priority for them.
I am not encouraging them being bad in any way.
I am just saying that until they can actually feel the consequences of their lack of skill/knowledge, they don't have any reason to think that they need to improve.
Now of course some players will naturally want to optimize their playstyle. But I would never expect it from the majority.

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Originally Posted by Garnix

All I am saying is that a large portion of the player base rarely even see an enrage cast bar filling up because they (and/or their teammates) are either over-geared or not good enough to reach it.
Therefore, improving their skills to meet the DPS checks is obviously not a priority for them.
I am not encouraging them being bad in any way.
I am just saying that until they can actually feel the consequences of their lack of skill/knowledge, they don't have any reason to think that they need to improve.
Now of course some players will naturally want to optimize their playstyle. But I would never expect it from the majority.

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the poster you are talking to is saying that freestyling is a unique label that basically only really applies to SAM because of some poor design choices from the devs that require unintuitive fixes on the part of the player.

it has nothing to do with playing the way you want to play and is only tangentially related to having motivation to improve, as many freestyle SAMs are simply unaware of the little trick you need to do *despite* having said motivation.

I think a lot of the confusion is that the parlance around Samurai has shifted in the last couple months.

In Stormblood/the first half or so of Shadowbringers, Freestyle Samurai really did just refer to Samurai players who played poorly in the way they did other jobs and frequently used uncombo'd actions, didn't use Kenki, never got their buffs up/let them drop, ignored Higanbana, etc. It referring to Samurai who aren't perfectly maintaining a sixty second loop and losing Tsubame only started coming up recently.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

If SAM's started using their dots maybe their damage wouldn't be so low.

Seriously tho I almost feel like at least 70% of SAM's never use their dots or they use it once and then forget for the rest of the fight.

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My soul crys a little every time another samura doesi not use banana.

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Originally Posted by Godzillaxpowerrangers

My soul crys a little every time another samura doesi not use banana.

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I see this a lot. Like a lot, a lot. So much that it is actually pretty rare I get a PUG SAM who upkeeps it. I am not sure why this is, but the SAM DoT is pretty damn strong, and contributes a large portion to their overall damage. I don't view logs, but if I did and saw that a SAM was underperforming, their DoT and KOs would be the first two things I would look at. Newer players should learn that their DoTs allow them to continue to do damage when mechs force them out of range, and even if they die.

All DPS jobs should obviously care about doing damage, but jobs like SAM and BLM who bring nothing but damage really have to learn to optimize so they bring as much as possible. As a healer, SAM and BLM are the two jobs that I don't mind one bit if they greed. Just try not to off yourselves. Then it was in vein. They don't need dmg buffs though, and it looks like it is going to be even easier for them to out damage everyone else.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I am not sure why this is, but the SAM DoT is pretty damn strong, and contributes a large portion to their overall damage.

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Because it's a tricky skill to gauge how to use and most people just shut their brains off and run dungeons. First, you have to understand how dot dps is calculated and you won't without going offsite because the game never explains it. Assuming you do understand how dots work, you then need to math out the breakpoint of higenbana versus midare, which I am pretty sure it's 42 seconds before higenbana outdps's midare but it's been forever since I checked. Then you need to gauge the bosses health versus the rate at which it's dropping and determin if it's going to live/exist on the field long enough for higenbana to be best value for your sen. Which you know, for the kind of person willing to do this kind of research, this is baby stuff. It's easy as hell. But if you aren't that kind of person, the game doesn't do a lot to teach you about it.

So basically, proper higenbana use requires you to seek out off-site information and use game instinct and the average player has no interest in doing either. The average player probably hasn't opened their spell book to even see that higenbana exists, let's be honest.

I thought that Sam was in a good shape with it's DPS...