Each expansion I get hyped and also worried about more skills.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Wolwosh

I think some jobs have to few skills. I really don't get this mentality..
So many people love DNC/WHM/DRK/MCH, but I find it really boring because you have like 1 hotbar..
If we getva 321 button combo for example one day in pve i'm out, i'll find some other game that doesn't cater to babies

---

I don't understand why more buttons necessarily means more skill?

If rotations ever DID get simplified they could put that skill requirement into, say, less choreographed encounter designs.

I mean World of WarCraft and Elder Scrolls online both have much simpler rotations than FFXIV with much fewer buttons but both games are widely considered harder than FFXIV.

In Burning Crusade Classic some classes have literally a one or two button rotation but some guilds are still struggling to down Magtheridon.

Give me more skills !! Not less !!!! I still miss aero III QQ

For how this game is setup with all the movements in fights. More skills is more tedious for me. I'm not going to speak for anyone else because that would be silly. As I respect people who want more skills and the game to be tougher.


I would not mind if the classes got cleaned up some and they did the pvp system with skills. That would be neat for sure. This game is all about the flashy fights, and movement. Having a complex rotation, or lots of buttons needing to smash takes away from it I feel. Also, if the developers said that many of the community is not that skilled. Making classes more tedious would just make it harder for people to learn.

The worst thing about shb is the basic combat that requires very little thought HW had it perfect besides the bard issue. I'd welcome like 5 more skills per job that were interesting, branch combos, etc. The skill ceiling needs raised.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DinahDemiurge

The worst thing about shb is the basic combat that requires very little thought HW had it perfect besides the bard issue. I'd welcome like 5 more skills per job that were interesting, branch combos, etc. The skill ceiling needs raised.

---

I am remembering HW and HW Black Mage.

I shall be shortly sending you my therapy bills.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ayuhra

....If, a few expansions from now, in FFXIV we all got reset but kept outfits, mounts, pets, titles, basically all cosmetics I would actually be okay with that.

---

My ideal solution is that at the end of 6.0, we face off against the prime evil whatever and the only way we can put it down for good is to sacrifice all our WoL super powers into the final blow and afterwards live out our lives as regular strength adventurers solving less world-ending issues.

Still have room as GNB, no idea what you lot are on about.

How about we do not abandon the animation of our character?
Like you all seems to accept and got used to bard drawing the bow over and over and over and rarely fire them. (but you are actually shooting every single arrow you don't see firing)
Like your third machinist combo you 'cooly' jump mid air upside down, but half of the time you magically teleport yourself standing upright in the ground again just to do one of the 2 ogcd attack.

How about trying our best (or their best) to respect the animation. Like all machinist shooting skills re on regular gcd. All the ogcd attack are orders to the robot which the robot will do the animation, thus not cancelling the machinist animation. This could apply to summoners, reaper, or any job with pets or pet like things.

And melee class can have their ogcd gives aura type effect that does not simply cancel the main attack animination.

I know it is probably not workable, but I hate to see a game disrespects its own animation...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ayuhra

I don't understand why more buttons necessarily means more skill?

If rotations ever DID get simplified they could put that skill requirement into, say, less choreographed encounter designs.

I mean World of WarCraft and Elder Scrolls online both have much simpler rotations than FFXIV with much fewer buttons but both games are widely considered harder than FFXIV.

In Burning Crusade Classic some classes have literally a one or two button rotation but some guilds are still struggling to down Magtheridon.

---

I'd add that FFXIV isn't a tab target game, it's combat may be in real time but it's definitely not full on ARPG. And if playing your action piano fingers were meant to be a "skillful" thing macros wouldn't exist.
Solo combos are just button bloat.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by KarstenS

They have already cleaned up with skills with the release of every expansion

---

The problem is when the skills that they "clean" allowed for more nuance, flexibility, or just generally more enjoyable gameplay (and often earlier) than what replaces it.

"So we lost X... just to get a more convoluted, less fun iteration... locked behind level (6 short of cap)? How's that a good thing?"