You are trolling if you are not using essences and actions in Delubrum

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

I would have to disagree a bit there. If they were 100% scaled with that belief they would have been near unbeatable without them, but the content is still really easy without. So far as I see it in general the actions are meant to be something fun, in savage I would say they are mandatory but otherwise no. The fun of being able to hit big numbers you otherwise never would, the novelty! It is fun to see a boss melt or see yourself hit a super fat crit dh.

Also equating not using an essence to someone straight up afk is so disingenuous. One person is actively playing, helping and not breaking the ToS. The other is not even there and is reportable for breaking the ToS. Just because it is not to your standard does not make it equivalent to breaking the rules. Most people that I see not using essences in these threads have said they use what they have. They don't exactly drop like candy. And they are used up quickly, I am not sitting for 30mins shouting for a cluster farm or spending my gil when I am fine with a slower run.

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Normal mode encounters have no enrages. Which will always make them beatable provided you're pressing buttons. DR bosses have massive hit pools by comparison, especially once you factor in we're synced to i430. They are absolutely scaled with the intention of players using essences. Consider that your average Tower run takes approximately 20-25 minutes. DR is essentially a 24 man raid yet if only 2-4 people have Essences on, it will likely go beyond an hour. Even accounting for mini-bosses and slightly longer corridors, it doesn't come close to making up the difference.

Except your contributions are so insignificant, you may as well be AFK. Which was my entire point. For reference sake, a party of twelve with one dedicated tank, two dedicated healers (or tanks/DPS with healing Essences/Actions) and nine Irregular tanks will have similar or faster results than a full party of twenty-four assuming only three people bother to pop an Essence. The "help" you provide is that low. However, to play devil's advocate, I'll retract the AFK comparison. This still places you as the equivalent of a non-DPSing healer; a freestyle Samurai; a RDM who routinely hard casts Veraero and Verthunder. The same excuse players post about in Tales of Duty Finder you're reiterating now. "I don't care if it takes longer. I play how I want."

So like I said before. Don't complain the next time you're stuck with that DPS who won't AoE; the tank who single targets every mob, or the DRG who dies every other mechanic. In DR, your damage contribution is the same as someone with permanent Brick of Death.

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Originally Posted by Caitlinzulu

I would love to see this fictional 15 minute delubrum run, would be amazing to witness. :P

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I was doing 20 minute runs before Zadnor stuff came about.
I can only imagine how insane it is now.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

In savage I would say so. I never said they are not scaled AT ALL due to their existence. Just not in the normal content enough such that their use is mandatory or heavily encouraged..

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Let me put this in perspective.

Based on logs on a certain website, you can see the 3rd boss of Tower at paradigm's breach has roughly 106million HP. keep in mind, this is also a 24 man instance, that at minimum, requires an ilvl of 495.
Using the same website, you can also see the first boss of Delebrum Reginae has 98million HP. In an instance that syncs to i430 no matter what.

They have nearly the same HP, but the normal 24 man boss is tuned to nearly 70 ilvls above the other. To continue putting this in perspective, the first boss of copied factory has 70million HP, for an instance with a min ilvl of 435.

Numbers don't lie; the Delebrum Reginae bosses have HP tuned closer to an ilvl of 500, despite Bozja force-syncing you to i430. The devs scaled them assuming the vast majority of the party is using essences & actions to boost your damage levels up to i500 levels. ForteNightShade is correct in that not using an essence + actions is effectively the same as being in a perma-brink of death state. If you choose not to use essences or actions, that's your decision. Just don't ever complain if you get a party member who dies every minute in any content or isn't pulling their weight, as you'd be hypocritical.

Also, you have to consider the devs design stuff with the JP mindset, where players are more community focused and 'for the group' mentality than NA players which are by far and large more selfish. Over on JP everyone popping essences would be the expected, thus the tuning makes perfect sense.

Our group has done 16:34 we are looking to optimize it even further. We made some mistakes and were sloopy.

I do find it a touch odd that the Dalriada eliminated all of the DPS checks (Aside from an optional one that gets you an additional chest with 60 coins if you clear the initial trash fast enough); contrary to Castrum that has an actual enrage timer on the first boss and an optional DPS/organization check with significantly more loot gated behind it on the second sequence of trash pulls.

They did, however, make the "enrage" phase on the final boss really uncomfortable to deal with for a prolonged period of time and I've almost wiped in low DPS groups because the healers couldn't keep up with the amount of damage going out.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

They did, however, make the "enrage" phase on the final boss really uncomfortable to deal with for a prolonged period of time and I've almost wiped in low DPS groups because the healers couldn't keep up with the amount of damage going out.

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What gets a lot of people at the end is the debuff with the countdown timer. It took me a few runs, but I realized that the countdowns weren't always the same, meaning that I had to stand in different places depending on how long the timer was and move accordingly, then stop doing anything when I get into position. That mechanic, along with the gates, tends to trip people up pretty regularly. Personally, I'm just now getting a better understanding with the gates. There's a lot going on in that fight.

The Dalriada "enrage" is neat, i only had one run out of 20 so far where we ran out of time at 4% and that run was haunted but the lack of essences and high death rate. People just couldn't seem to not comprehend how dice works after it being in the game for well over five years.

It's a multifaceted issue. You have maybe 90% of people who don't have any augmented haste gear, and maybe 50% or so not using essences.

The beauty of this content was they basically gave the players a menu of flashy skills they can choose from, and the lazy crowd says nah.

This is also the content where healers actually surpass red DPS in damage regularly. Are you mad yet?

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Now I would never expect this in a random DF group. This party was advertised in PF specifically to trash bosses. With that said though, I do think Essences should have been made mandatory for queuing simply because the bosses are scaled with the belief you'll have them. Part of the fault, however, lies on the devs for not better incentivizing them. Far too few fragments drop from DR itself. They also missed a perfect opportunity to stuff low grade Essences in lockboxes instead of yet more useless prisms

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See there lies the problem the Devs. Sounded good on paper but put into practice not very good.

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Originally Posted by TroySoFab

Using duty actions is hard on a Ps4 controller. I have to change to the touch pad mouse and click it, and if you've never used it before you have no idea how difficult it is. I wish they would add an easier way to do this. OP we aren't trolling, its just next to impossible for us to use them.

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R1+R3 for Duty Action 1, L1+L3 for Duty Action 2, no need to use the touch pad.

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Originally Posted by Drakonic

Delubrum gives those fragments and if you've been doing a little Bozja at all you should already have tons of Chainspell, Assassinate, and the tier 2 essences like Beast and Ordained.

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When you do cluster farm, then you may be correct.

But when you only do fates and criticals, then not.

People that go in for leveling will do the second one.

I've leveled a long time with multiple chars in bozja. Even on a char, where I had nearly 300 lootboxes after leveling with fates and criticals, I ended with just 5 potions for dmg boost of a DPS job and even less commands to do direct damage.

So no, not everyone has tons of them. Only the minority that do cluster farm. The majority go in for leveling.