Asking people to improve is toxic, ageist, and ableist

Why do they even let this guy continue to make threads?

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Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru

eh, First off what do you expect you going to run into every aoe? not put on tank stance? ... the game already has so many simple parts... also there's nothing wrong with "elitist" if a person is willing to learn, to get better they will be kind and respectful and help that person learn.

Sounds like your just crying because you don't want to learn to get better... I doubt you have even asked questions on how to do w/e better.. just get defensive

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Please stop being rude to players who might not have the time or energy to, or simply can't, "git gud".

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Originally Posted by MilitaryVet123

Recently, I wrote a thread on why I was upset that the Bozjan storyline was locked behind a difficult critical engagement that was Extreme level or even Savage level.

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I did it once. We had one wipe. From my point of view, its not harder than the current 24 man content.

I have Usher's syndrome. This genetical condition means my visual field is severely reduced (around 5 degrees) and I'm partially deaf. This means it's harder for me to spot most AoE that aren't spotted by looking below the character's feet or requires to keep track of several things at the same time (like Red Comet's multiple proximity AoE) and it's also hard to keep track of rotation/CDs while paying attention to the fight simultaneously. And yet, that doesn't stop me from trying to improve at all, by trying to move my sight around more, stop what I'm doing when mechanics is coming and practicing rotations to get accustomed to CDs plus mechanical memory. Not to say there is also people with several limiting disabilites that have ways to work around them to play MMO... which includes blind people!

You definitely can improve as a player, you just cba to commit to it. If you don't find engaging trying to overcome your weaknesses to play a game you enjoy, maybe you're not really enjoying it all and that's OK. But don't try to use it as a excuse to have everyone else cope with your unwillingness to do your best.

This thread would've gone another way if the problem posted was people just stating "git gud" without so much a word of advice, since it's just bashing for the sake of bashing and it hardly encourages people to actually improve. But... yeah, you had to post this.

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Originally Posted by MilitaryVet123

Please stop being rude to players who might not have the time or energy to, or simply can't, "git gud".

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Those who can read and understand are clearly at an advantage. She's not at all rude to you. But you're acting more like a little kid here.

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Originally Posted by MilitaryVet123

Please stop being rude to players who might not have the time or energy to, or simply can't, "git gud".

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expect your being rude, expecting others to dumb down, if you don't have the time or energy maybe don't logon and play? or stick to single player aspects like fates...

it works both ways.. if your going to be lazy about it your basically being rude force others to take your lazy way


by the way, if your going to pull that here's something to think on I have Muscular Dystrophy i'm over twenty and i have manic depression, and a few other mental conditions some days i can hardly sit up and cook something to eat without my husband helping me, lucky ffxiv can played with a ps4 control which does help a lot since they are often rather light. However some days i know i have 0 energy are ability to move my hands and arms around to play the way some parts of the game requires which then I'll go chop trees or something so I don't put that on others.

so don't give me that bs please because honestly I find it personally insulting when someone sits there and acts like you are with those excuses

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Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru

expect your being rude, expecting others to dumb down, if you don't have the time or energy maybe don't logon and play? or stick to single player aspects like fates...

it works both ways.. if your going to be lazy about it your basically being rude force others to take your lazy way


by the way, if your going to pull that here's something to think on I have Muscular Dystrophy i'm over twenty and i have manic depression, and a few other mental conditions some days i can hardly sit up and cook something to eat without my husband helping me, lucky ffxiv can played with a ps4 control which does help a lot since they are often rather light. However some days i know i have 0 energy are ability to move my hands and arms around to play the way some parts of the game requires which then I'll go chop trees or something so I don't put that on others.

so don't give me that bs please because honestly I find it personally insulting when someone sits there and acts like you are with those excuses

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I do not expect others to dumb down. My point is that asking people to improve is toxic because 99% of the time, it's a passive-aggressive way to tell someone they're bad at the game and that they're lesser. If someone tells someone to "git gud", on face value that seems like they're just asking people to improve, but we all know that "git gud" is one of the most toxic insults in the gaming community right now.

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Originally Posted by MilitaryVet123

I do not expect others to dumb down. My point is that asking people to improve is toxic because 99% of the time, it's a passive-aggressive way to tell someone they're bad at the game and that they're lesser. If someone tells someone to "git gud", on face value that seems like they're just asking people to improve, but we all know that "git gud" is one of the most toxic insults in the gaming community right now.

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I only read about you toxic here and toxic there. Simplify the fight so I can poke around my nose. Have you ever thought that you’re just lazy? You say things are hard. Yes then you practice the fight until you have managed the fight. Furthermore, it is your own fault to see sentences like “Then improve” as toxic.

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Originally Posted by MilitaryVet123

Please stop being rude to players who might not have the time or energy to, or simply can't, "git gud".

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If you don't have the time to learn how to play the game, you don't have time to play the game. These things go hand in hand and fights do an amazing job of giving players a tutorial route of the mechanics before actually making them difficult.

Take the neir raid, puppet's bunker, the 1st boss and also can be applied to every single boss in each 24 man raid. They perform 1 set of mechanics at a time, nothing's combined. Just shows you what they got and can do. All you have to do is pay attention to what's happening, the thing just brought out a cannon? Maybe it shoots prolly? Oh I fell off cuz the cannon did a cone that blasts you off, alright noted. Etc continnue and hey, there's that cannon again but hey also this mechanic they also showed me earlier... So I just have to do this and this to not die/avoid damage? Neat!

It's very simple logic and if someone's saying they need someone to improve, they're not calling them bad or being passive aggressive at all. In fact, outright saying something like that to someone isn't passive in any regard. If I tell a dps that they need to improve and what on because they're dying or our dps check isn't being met.... I'm telling them that in order for the team to progress, the player must have a will to learn. Funny thing is, as mentioned above... this game has learning fused to playing the game. You can learn how mechanics work and your rotation all in one simply by playing. Even if you spent an hour a day or week on one singular fight., you have the ability to take note and learn what to do differently or better simply by analyzing what's going on. You can analyze your rotation, skills, mechanics, everything in the span of just a couple minutes. I have to agree with the "you might just be lazy" logic here because it sounds it.

But also this isn't the first troll thread you've started and kept going pointlessly.