Really hope next savage tier is delayed.

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Originally Posted by linayar

You talk about wanting to not make NM and crafted gears obsolete, but want to make tomestone gears available before Savage? That would make them even more obsolete and that's why SE won't do that.

In fact, SE probably would also delay crafted gears if they also delay Savage. So it's not just tomestone gears being affected.

Really, the solution is already available: don't rush. And if you'd rather get NM gears instead of going full set of crafted gears, then do that.

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Saying don’t rush isn’t a solution.... some people have lives like jobs, family and such and also a team. Sure they could raid the PF but what if said team is what suits that life and family. The consistency and schedule is what allows them to raid/play. So saying “don’t rush” to someone with limited time isn’t the first place? I am one of those people, I do schedule play time to ensure I can spend time with friends and family around work and not spend too much time on the game also. My solution was to make an alt and go back to enjoy the story when I’m not pressured by the need to be raid ready. Other option is basically to not raid and honestly at that point I might as well unsub

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Originally Posted by linayar

This just shows that a static already has the freedom to do what it needs to without having to delay Savage.

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Not every static has that freedom. You really think every 1st day raiders or WR group has loads of gil?
Like I said, not everybody can afford crafted gear since it always starts off at 3 to 5 mil a piece or more depending on your server. On top of spending more gil on mats which will ofc, raise because people know its gonna sale.
a lot of people don't have that type of gil. THEN You have to buy pots and food which is even more gil spent.

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Originally Posted by linayar

And that's why there is value to not delaying Savage.

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I don't get what you mean by this but uhh...but delaying savage is a win win for a lot of people.
People get to prepare and some gear actually has some use instead of quickly being tossed in the trash, broke raiders have a chance to compete in a world race with the WR rich raiders. 1st day raiders won't struggle so hard due having at least two weeks worth of NM eden gear if they're too poor for crafted, thus making DF more bearable if you're a DF warrior.

Having more gear isn't going to carry you but it will help and ease the headache with people coming in with dungeon gear if you decide to DF it.

Also can people stop saying "don't rush" you do realize in a static you're in a group with 7 other people with different time zones and obligations, work schedules and so on.

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Originally Posted by xxvaynxx

In your experience? Maybe. But actually a vast amount of them would love a delay so they can do other content and enjoy the story before we hardcore prog.

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Soooo, how exactly is LittleImp's point just his/her "experience" but your claim, that "a vast amount" of day 1 raiders would "totally love" savage being delayed by weeks, is totally legit?



I look at it like this. If you are not raiding world first but still raiding day one then your main priority is obviously raiding, if your static cared more about any of the other content, which you can totally still do once you're done raiding, you wouldn't be raiding day 1 in the first place. If you are getting pressured by your static to raid day 1 but you personally don't want to then maybe you should look for a new one.
If the issue is gil then I'm sorry to say but if you didn't manage to make enough gil to get pentamelded crafted gear+buff food+pots to raid day 1, in the 6+ months we've had of this raid tier, then 2 weeks or even 3-4 weeks aren't gonna suddenly fix that anyway.

None of this justifies delaying content for everyone else.

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Originally Posted by xxvaynxx

Also can people stop saying "don't rush" you do realize in a static you're in a group with 7 other people with different time zones and obligations, work schedules and so on.

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Also, just to add to this, it's a little silly for someone to say "Don't rush!" while at the same time saying "Savage needs to be available day 1!" If you truly cared about not rushing then you wouldn't mind if Savage was delayed a week or two either.

Plus, it's also worth keeping in mind that there are still a lot of players who like to prog the fights themselves even if they aren't going for world first. By delaying Savage a week or two you would allow those players to all start out at the same time as well without having to run the risk of being spoiled, having some members already do/watch the fight, etc.

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Originally Posted by Wyakin

Saying don’t rush isn’t a solution.... some people have lives like jobs, family and such and also a team. Sure they could raid the PF but what if said team is what suits that life and family. The consistency and schedule is what allows them to raid/play. So saying “don’t rush” to someone with limited time isn’t the first place? I am one of those people, I do schedule play time to ensure I can spend time with friends and family around work and not spend too much time on the game also. My solution was to make an alt and go back to enjoy the story when I’m not pressured by the need to be raid ready. Other option is basically to not raid and honestly at that point I might as well unsub

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Sorry, but that's not an excuse. It doesn't take that long to watch cutscenes while going through the NM raid. And if you can't find a group that can accommodate you, that's not on the game. You do what you must do, but not rushing is still a solution. And if you must use an alt, that's fine too.

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Originally Posted by xxvaynxx

Not every static has that freedom. You really think every 1st day raiders or WR group has loads of gil?
Like I said, not everybody can afford crafted gear since it always starts off at 3 to 5 mil a piece or more depending on your server. On top of spending more gil on mats which will ofc, raise because people know its gonna sale.
a lot of people don't have that type of gil. THEN You have to buy pots and food which is even more gil spent.

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Not every group has the gil, but every group has the freedom to not have to force themselves to buy a full set of crafted gears. If they don't have enough skill and want to use new gears to increase chance of success and don't have the gil, they can farm NM and/or tomestone gears before or while doing Savage.

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I don't get what you mean by this but uhh...but delaying savage is a win win for a lot of people.
People get to prepare and some gear actually has some use instead of quickly being tossed in the trash, broke raiders have a chance to compete in a world race with the WR rich raiders. 1st day raiders won't struggle so hard due having at least two weeks worth of NM eden gear if they're too poor for crafted, thus making DF more bearable if you're a DF warrior.

Having more gear isn't going to carry you but it will help and ease the headache with people coming in with dungeon gear if you decide to DF it.

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The value is in other people who are not doing WFR. It's a loss for people who are not world first contenders getting delayed their raid, their tomestone gears, and/or possibly their crafted gears.

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Also can people stop saying "don't rush" you do realize in a static you're in a group with 7 other people with different time zones and obligations, work schedules and so on.

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That's a scheduling issue, not a game issue. Once released, the content will still be there whenever all 8 of you have time to do it.

And if you think your group realistically has a chance to be world first, but in order to get first, you don't have enough time to watch cutscenes in the normal mode one time, then you do what you must. Otherwise, just be real with yourselves as a group and go ahead and take your time with NM before doing that "hardcore prog." It doesn't take that long to go through once. Or rush anyway for whatever reason, that's your call.

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Originally Posted by StriderShinryu

Also, just to add to this, it's a little silly for someone to say "Don't rush!" while at the same time saying "Savage needs to be available day 1!" If you truly cared about not rushing then you wouldn't mind if Savage was delayed a week or two either.

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Again, because delaying Savage would delay other things, mainly new tomestone. As a weekly-capped currency, the sooner it's released, the better. It's nothing to do with rushing.

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Plus, it's also worth keeping in mind that there are still a lot of players who like to prog the fights themselves even if they aren't going for world first. By delaying Savage a week or two you would allow those players to all start out at the same time as well without having to run the risk of being spoiled, having some members already do/watch the fight, etc.

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Not delaying Savage still allows you to start at the same time. The risk of being spoiled is still there regardless of delay unless your group agrees to run blind. So again, it's a group issue, not a game issue. Find a group that wants the same thing as you and you won't have to rush. Otherwise, it doesn't matter if Savage is delayed because people will still spoil themselves when it's released.

So having a demanding job doing shift work and a family isn’t an excuse? I’m supposed to make 7 other people wait because I want to go slowly vs the devs delaying the patch by a week or so? What dumb response lol.

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Originally Posted by Wyakin

So having a demanding job doing shift work and a family isn’t an excuse? I’m supposed to make 7 other people wait because I want to go slowly vs the devs delaying the patch by a week or so? What dumb response lol.

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No, you do what you have to do, but it's not an excuse to delay the raid.

What does doing it slowly mean anyway? Are you taking the entire day just to do normal raid? It shouldn't take more than an hour or two if you want to watch everything and also get your weekly loot from all the NM bosses on duty finder. It'll take even less if you just want to do the raid once with your group and you can prioritize loot.

How many raiders would dislike the idea of delayed savage? lol. People are talking and talking but I wonder how many actually raid day 1.
Also, what are the cons here for delayed savage?

Reality is that delaying savage even a week really doesn't have many cons and only benefits. The cons are almost all related to world first groups as the ability to gear while progging, and not having time to check mechanics in normal, adds depth to the race. But that's about it. Please enlighten me if you have another angle to this.

Also, you don't just "take your time" with it. If you have a static with other real people making real life commitments to free up time, it's your responsibility to be raid ready. If your time is limited it means you need to rush through the msq and replay it later on an alt. That's not cool, and a fair complaint. I personally end up taking day 1 off work because I don't want to go through that, but it would be great to not even have to deal with it by delaying savage a week.

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Originally Posted by EaMett

How many raiders would dislike the idea of delayed savage? lol. People are talking and talking but I wonder how many actually raid day 1.
Also, what are the cons here for delayed savage?

Reality is that delaying savage even a week really doesn't have many cons and only benefits. The cons are almost all related to world first groups as the ability to gear while progging adds depth to the race. But that's about it. Please enlighten me if you have another angle to this.

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You're welcome to read the thread if you really want to know.

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Also, you don't just "take your time" with it. If you have a static with other real people making real life commitments to free up time, it's your responsibility to be raid ready. If your time is limited it means you need to rush through the msq and replay it later on an alt. That's not cool, and a fair complaint. I personally end up taking day 1 off work because I don't want to go through that, but it would be great to not even have to deal with it by delaying savage a week.

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I wasn't aware people are discussing MSQ. If you really want to raid with a static group, then you should go straight into the raid unless your raid schedule leaves room for MSQ. I don't think raid is gated behind MSQ of the same patch.

MSQ can be a requirement for a trial > gear. And obviously all other crafting requirements.

Also to the point of your post. The only decent argument has been that it delays the release of tomestones. But that argument runs thin. If you rephrase everything to "can we release normal content one week early" that argument falls appart since we're no longer delaying anything. In essence both scenarios are exactly the same, because it's not a delay if it's planned.
The fact that the first savage tier is staggered and works fine is a good indicator that this could also be done with later tiers.