5.08 Patch Notes up

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Originally Posted by Scryar

Did they just forget the ranged dps and rdm? And sam is still behind monk, while offering 0 raidbuffs.

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We don't know how much of a boost SAM will get yet.

The SMN buff isn't really an issue. It'll be the slightest of DPS buffs. Its 100% for QoL. The real issue is set to come in 5.1. If SMN gets reworked and their potencies get increased while RDM stays the same is where there will be an issue. RDM is pretty much only staying relevant because SMN is also a dumpster fire DPS wise lol. FesterRuin change isn't putting out that fire. Its still above RDM atm by a decent amount, but not so much as to make RDM look horrible compared to it.

Ideally SMN and RDM would be brought closer to the middle (with Ranged brought up to shrink the gap between all roles.) at the same time. In the worst possible outcome we'll see SMN reign supreme again as the 98% the damage of BLM caster with a raise and RDM will be shelved until a much later set of patch adjustments zzz and casters become balanced within the role and against other roles for the last 2 patches of the tier. zzz

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Originally Posted by Arale

We don't know how much of a boost SAM will get yet.

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It's kinda easy to tell how much better SAM is going to perform just from the potency buffs.

I think MNK being as strong as it is is largely due to the devs failing to account for how drastically the removal of the haste debuff on Fists of Fire boosted their DPS. Being able to get multiple extra GCDs off during its duration makes the damage boost being reduced totally inconsequential.

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not sure if 100% and tell me if its wrong but SAM being worst melee DPS is big oof

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Originally Posted by Duskane

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not sure if 100% and tell me if its wrong but SAM being worst melee DPS is big oof

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Seems about right where SE wants us.
I'm going to stay samurai because its fun but I given up SE actually giving samurai the dps its suppose to have.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

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not sure if 100% and tell me if its wrong but SAM being worst melee DPS is big oof

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*squints eyes* I don't know... I see NIN all the way down there. Granted we'll see how the theory will hold up after the buffs. They seem to be pretty even which kinda of makes me facepalm. *sigh*

edit: fight design and all that.

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Originally Posted by Schan

*squints eyes* I don't know... I see NIN all the way down there. Granted we'll see how the theory will hold up after the buffs.

edit: fight design and all that.

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uuhhh are you looking at the pre 5.08 when nin is near the bottom and not after 5.08 when nin is above SAM?

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Originally Posted by Duskane

uuhhh are you looking at the pre 5.08 when nin is near the bottom and not after 5.08 when nin is above SAM?

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I looked at both. that's why i added they were pretty even afterwards. Sorry.

At least SAM is still easier to play than NIN.

edit: with that said i do wonder how they will balance things now. Is it going to be based off utility for the party or personal difficulty playing the class? because utility wise NIN should be lower than SAM but personal difficulty wise NIN should be doing more dmg than SAM. After all if you're picking a more difficult class people like to be rewarded for their efforts.

It just want to see more NINs and SAMs around. I'm getting fed up of seeing the same jobs everywhere.

Im mad too! see you all when 2B gets here.

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