I am a little worried about the enmity during pulls

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

I know enmity wont be a problem in direct fight, its not today and it wont be. But when pulling mobs you dont use aoe multiple times on one trash group, you aoe them one time and run to the second group of trash mobs to pull them too and then you go to the third. And here where the problem is, since your aoe you use for pulling no longer generates as much enmity as it used to.
At this point your dps could pull mobs away from you while you are busy pulling next mobs.

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Or, here's a novel idea.

They could keep it in their pants for 10 seconds.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

That's not a problem with the tank stance multiplier; that's a problem with the players.

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How is it a problem with the players if enmity is supposed to be a non-issue when tanks and healers are undergeared and not melded when the DPS are overgeared and melded? Because at this point ilvl and materia melding creates an even bigger gap with enmity generation if tanks and healers are going to be undergeared and not melded(mostly tanks for enmity issues and healers for keeping tank alive in large pulls) and the 2 DPS are overgeared AND melded to the point where you healers have more issues keeping DPS alive and tanks have more issues with enmity because DPS are overgeared to the point where tanks can't can't hold aggro in large pulls even with tank stance. (I ran a level 70 roulette as SAM with ilvl 390 gear and melded and tank was VERY undergeared late last night, so you can imagine how painful that was watch and the tank didn't do big pulls because healer was also undergeared)

Jesse from Nest talked about tank enmity on a recent podcast. He said the sheer amount of enmity tanks generate now compared to everyone else is so high, you could double Shirk a DPS and they still wouldn't be anywhere near pulling. Of course, this was just his experiences from the Media Tour but pretty much everyone has said enmity is a non-factor now.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

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Maybe I'm interpretting the OP wrong, and in either case, it doesnt change the fact that tanks are drowning in so much emnity now that it isnt even a mechanic anymore, but,

I think the concern is specifically on the pull- as in before you've generated a combo or 2 in threat. Cheeky healers pre-gening when youre still gathering, That random SMN that painflares the 3 mobs that just introduced themselves around the corner, etc. etc.

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Originally Posted by Fluffernuff

I think the concern is specifically on the pull- as in before you've generated a combo or 2 in threat. Cheeky healers pre-gening when youre still gathering, That random SMN that painflares the 3 mobs that just introduced themselves around the corner, etc. etc.

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Well they'll quickly learn to stop doing it then

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Originally Posted by Fluffernuff

Maybe I'm interpretting the OP wrong, and in either case, it doesnt change the fact that tanks are drowning in so much emnity now that it isnt even a mechanic anymore, but,

I think the concern is specifically on the pull- as in before you've generated a combo or 2 in threat. Cheeky healers pre-gening when youre still gathering, That random SMN that painflares the 3 mobs that just introduced themselves around the corner, etc. etc.

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Hmm, you may be right. I guess Shadowbringers will finally bring an end to pre-Regen healers lol.

They addressed undergeared tanks by homogenizing their stats with DPS jobs, then using a trait to buff their stats by 30%.

Even if you are a significantly undergeared tank with 2790 VIT against 3627 VIT on a BRD (4.0 gear against 5.0 gear), your stats are probably buffed by the trait to be equal to the DPS in the party.

Then, you are probably in tank stance and still have the 20% mitigation trait.

It seems they really wanted to make it difficult to be an undergeared tank. You might actually be able to get away with tanking 5.0 dungeons in verity gear. :eek:

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Or, here's a novel idea.

They could keep it in their pants for 10 seconds.

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They could, but will they? xD

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Originally Posted by Fluffernuff

Maybe I'm interpretting the OP wrong, and in either case, it doesnt change the fact that tanks are drowning in so much emnity now that it isnt even a mechanic anymore, but,

I think the concern is specifically on the pull- as in before you've generated a combo or 2 in threat. Cheeky healers pre-gening when youre still gathering, That random SMN that painflares the 3 mobs that just introduced themselves around the corner, etc. etc.

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