Gender/Racial Locking in 2019

Reproduction is irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by linay

Uh, what? I wasn't talking about hacking body parts, so don't even go there. Have we learned about a new sex for human reproduction?

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Then make your responses more clear, because all I got out of that was forcing a binary choice on individuals without consent.

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Originally Posted by rachcouture

Reproduction is irrelevant.

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Hahahahahaha

On the bright side, if enough people took that stance we wouldn't have a problem after too long.

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Originally Posted by rachcouture

I'd argue it's a little of both, really. Anyone denying some sort of innate gender qualities on a biological level when things like hormonal baths are being studied is disregarding an entire population of both cisgender and transgender people alike. Still, there is plenty to imprint on people. See: the gender stereotypes present in this thread.



I don't think anyone is disagreeing with that. The issue is people outright denying both a. the existence of variations, and b. that sex/gender is a lot more complicated than what was taught several decades ago.

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I agree, I think outdated information is prevalent, but the issue is more about framing than the data. Both sides of the argument broadly do the wrong thing with the data. Either they go to black and white, or they take it out of context to dump the core intent that the average layman understands. For extremely practical purposes, its easy to say "Yeah there are pretty much two 'sexes'." That statement isnt true factually, but it represents the core idea that most people fall under the two sets which make up the extreme majority - male and female. The problem with the counter argument is the typical distortion of the facts. Intersex and other genetic outliers do exist, but they do not make up a significant proportion of the population. However, their existance is used in a fashion to downplay the core intent of their being two predominant sexes. It's played up like there are just as many intersex people as male and female, and usually argued this way to fight against other aspects of the sex/gender debate. It's disingenuous and spreading wrong perceptions. IMO that is just as bad a point as the opposite side.

I thought this thread was about a big roe dude wanting to wear a dress? Let men wear dresses!

I was equally perturbed that I don't think I can wear those nice kicks that are male only!

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I thought this thread was about a big roe dude wanting to wear a dress? Let men wear dresses!

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And high heels. A dress without a decent pair of heels is useless.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I thought this thread was about a big roe dude wanting to wear a dress? Let men wear dresses!

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Be a caster/healer?

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

And high heels. A dress without a decent pair of heels is useless.

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Exactly. Roe's want to look fabulous too!

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

Hahahahahaha

On the bright side, if enough people took that stance we wouldn't have a problem after too long.

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Laugh if you want, but it's true. A woman that's had a hysterectomy is still a woman. A man that's had a vasectomy is still a man. Fertility or lack there of doesn't define someone's sex/gender. But hey, if this is the hill you want to die on, go right ahead.

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

The problem with the counter argument is the typical distortion of the facts. Intersex and other genetic outliers do exist, but they do not make up a significant proportion of the population. However, their existance is used in a fashion to downplay the core intent of their being two predominant sexes. It's played up like there are just as many intersex people as male and female, and usually argued this way to fight against other aspects of the sex/gender debate. It's disingenuous and spreading wrong perceptions. IMO that is just as bad a point as the opposite side.

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No one in this thread has done that, however. Even WhiteArchmage's post is more of a misguided oversimplification than anything else. Granted, I'm not a fan of taking neutral positions like this; occasionally there just isn't a grey area to sit in, and this, imo, is an example of one.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I thought this thread was about a big roe dude wanting to wear a dress? Let men wear dresses!

I was equally perturbed that I don't think I can wear those nice kicks that are male only!

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Same. I wanna see Roe men in cute AF heels. :(

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I thought this thread was about a big roe dude wanting to wear a dress? Let men wear dresses!

I was equally perturbed that I don't think I can wear those nice kicks that are male only!

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It's nice to meet individuals who are just as intellectually inclined as I. Here here let men wear dresses and let women wear Male clothes.

☆☆☆☆☆ stars for you.

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Originally Posted by rachcouture

And yet it still has effects that relate more to being intersex than anything else. Dated terminology doesn't change that whatsoever. Regardless, there are other examples that affect women, and some that can affect both (i.e. X0/XY mosaicism) making this a moot argument. Sex is not as simple as binary no matter how much you want it to be.

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This affects less than 1% of the world's entire population. Exceptions are never good grounds for the rule. I'm afraid sex is as simple as binary. As I said before, there is no way around it. It's indisputable which is why the term "gender" is used instead to cover the grey area. Biological sex refers specifically to the sex organs a person possesses. In 99% of cases worldwide, biological sex can be determined under 12 weeks after conception (varies from case to case). It is based off of the chromosomes assigned much earlier in the process of fetal development, and there are only two possible results. This person has either male or female sex organs.

We can argue about intersex and even transgender (true TG and not trans-trenders), but these are a rare, rare exception. However, in their cases the term "gender" is appropriate to what they identify with. Again though, this is going to be either male or female. Two choices. Gender fluid people - go back and forth between male and female. Two choices. Genderless people don't identify with either male or female. Two choices.

To put it shortly: Your identification card is going to have one of two sexes printed on it.