Housing Issues

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04-25-2019, 11:24 AM
Krotoan

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Originally Posted by Atheena

They may win but that would be alot of gil to lose if they decided to want to trade plots or try to sell it (which they can't because it's exclusive to their accounts. . There are plenty of ways to get implement housing in the game, SE just refuses to put effort and resources into it.

It is a sizable chunk of Gil gone.. for most of us. To someone who's been playing the markets for a while it's very much not. There are several players out there who are actually capped in gil.

I personally wonder what SE thought was going to happen with such a limited resource that was highly desirable as well.. but they've put plenty of effort and resources into their decision. The problem isn't that they don't WANT everyone to have housing, it's their current system simply cannot support every player having a house.
Lets not concentrate on the wrong problem: Housing needs a new solution so everyone can participate.
The issue lies in letting everyone have access to the content without punishing those who put so much effort into the current system.
04-25-2019, 11:52 AM
Atheena

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krotoan

It is a sizable chunk of Gil gone.. for most of us. To someone who's been playing the markets for a while it's very much not. There are several players out there who are actually capped in gil.

I personally wonder what SE thought was going to happen with such a limited resource that was highly desirable as well.. but they've put plenty of effort and resources into their decision. The problem isn't that they don't WANT everyone to have housing, it's their current system simply cannot support every player having a house.
Lets not concentrate on the wrong problem: Housing needs a new solution so everyone can participate.
The issue lies in letting everyone have access to the content without punishing those who put so much effort into the current system.

The effort? I mean making gil in this game is easy as sheet! I made an easy 20+ million with little effort and that's with un-capped crafting! Effort is FFXIV 1.0 crafting/gathering where you had to share nodes with others and where crafting failed more than success. The current system is effected by the old system. SE allowed multiple plots to be purchased by a few Dirty Rich players (who are absolutely no fault of this mess)! Again I don't fault those early crafters who made their way through very hard work, but SE is the root cause of this and needs to own up to it. There should be plenty of housing available for everyone, but like RL they should also work for it to and not handed over. Even if it's paying rent for a house to SE each week. I mean yeah my FC has a nice large house, but i want one of my own to have to. Housing is easy in every other MMO but this one!
04-25-2019, 12:20 PM
Krotoan

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Originally Posted by Atheena

The effort? I mean making gil in this game is easy as sheet! I made an easy 20+ million with little effort and that's with un-capped crafting! Effort is FFXIV 1.0 crafting/gathering where you had to share nodes with others and where crafting failed more than success. The current system is effected by the old system. SE allowed multiple plots to be purchased by a few Dirty Rich players (who are absolutely no fault of this mess)! Again I don't fault those early crafters who made their way through very hard work, but SE is the root cause of this and needs to own up to it. There should be plenty of housing available for everyone, but like RL they should also work for it to and not handed over. Even if it's paying rent for a house to SE each week. I mean yeah my FC has a nice large house, but i want one of my own to have to. Housing is easy in every other MMO but this one!

Oh... you mean effort on the PLAYERS behalf. I get it.

.. sorry. Can't agree there. For most players 20+ million isn't "easy as sheet" and I don't think a house should really require anything more than a certain level of investment in progression. Housing is for everyone, the problem is the scarcity, not the difficulty of acquisition. Crafting/gathering isn't hard work, it's simply time investment for money and lots of players don't have that time to invest.
04-25-2019, 12:33 PM
Feidam

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Oh... you mean effort on the PLAYERS behalf. I get it.

.. sorry. Can't agree there. For most players 20+ million isn't "easy as sheet" and I don't think a house should really require anything more than a certain level of investment in progression. Housing is for everyone, the problem is the scarcity, not the difficulty of acquisition. Crafting/gathering isn't hard work, it's simply time investment for money and lots of players don't have that time to invest.

I agree. They need to invest in more wards considering years later housing demand is still ridiculously high and a lot of people are left out. Apartments are not equal in anyway.
04-25-2019, 12:33 PM
Atheena

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krotoan

Oh... you mean effort on the PLAYERS behalf. I get it.

.. sorry. Can't agree there. For most players 20+ million isn't "easy as sheet" and I don't think a house should really require anything more than a certain level of investment in progression. Housing is for everyone, the problem is the scarcity, not the difficulty of acquisition. Crafting/gathering isn't hard work, it's simply time investment for money and lots of players don't have that time to invest.

I can't speak for every server but low level crafts/gathering nets easy Gil, it's that few wants to put the effort into it. I agree all should be able to purchase, i'm not an elitist who think those who can't get their weight up do no deserve it. My problem with everything is that SE makes it unnecessarily hard to obtain a home. And by hard i mean 20+ hours of camping a plot!
04-25-2019, 12:48 PM
Nuna

Just make instanced housing an option and the same size as regular houses. But since they're instanced, they cost less. People that want wards will go for those, and people that don't care will have an instanced house. I'd give up my shiro medium in a heartbeat for an instanced house.
04-27-2019, 04:01 PM
TaranTatsuuchi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krotoan

It is a sizable chunk of Gil gone.. for most of us. To someone who's been playing the markets for a while it's very much not. There are several players out there who are actually capped in gil.

I personally wonder what SE thought was going to happen with such a limited resource that was highly desirable as well.. but they've put plenty of effort and resources into their decision. The problem isn't that they don't WANT everyone to have housing, it's their current system simply cannot support every player having a house.
Lets not concentrate on the wrong problem: Housing needs a new solution so everyone can participate.
The issue lies in letting everyone have access to the content without punishing those who put so much effort into the current system.

I believe a lot of the issues stem from The devs not properly implementing personal housing.

To elaborate.
Way back when the wards were first created, they were for FC housing only.
There was no way for a player to purchase a personal plot, aside from owning their own fc.
And the housing was much more expensive.

But, instead of implementing a proper personal housing system, the devs instead just allowed players to purchase the housing that was already available.
Quick, easy, and a bit short sighted.
They were unable to meet the demand for it.

In my opinion, the ward housing should never have been opened up for personal housing.
The apartment system should have been implemented back then.
04-27-2019, 05:09 PM
Reinha

Buy another retainer just a few days before your sub renews. You pay for those couple of days and it's a miniscule amount. Put your furniture there. Then cancel the retainer. Repeat the process when you need the furniture again.

You willingly gave up your house and knew the consequences. It's not the fault of the company or other players that you don't have a house anymore.

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Originally Posted by Nuna

Just make instanced housing an option and the same size as regular houses. But since they're instanced, they cost less. People that want wards will go for those, and people that don't care will have an instanced house. I'd give up my shiro medium in a heartbeat for an instanced house.

This is literally what apartments are for. And yes, they need a balcony.
04-27-2019, 07:47 PM
Nuna

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Originally Posted by Reinha

This is literally what apartments are for. And yes, they need a balcony.

Nah, I want an instanced house, not overpriced FC room alternative. Still won't use it if they added a balcony because SE will find some way to make it terrible.
04-27-2019, 09:10 PM
Reinha

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Originally Posted by Nuna

Nah, I want an instanced house, not overpriced FC room alternative. Still won't use it if they added a balcony because SE will find some way to make it terrible.

What do you think is the reason they didn't make apartments as big as a house?

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