And i have once again encountered trouble.
That didn't take long.
For people who don't understand VoIP software Discord is turning out to be remarkably INACCESSIBLE.
Spent the past several hours struggling with trying to make sense of how party recruitment is supposed to work, and the only thing i have succeeded in is giving myself a headache.
How nice.Quote:
If you want to get into a group, you need to join and assign your role in #ready-role-dispenser , if you can't find out the command or input the wrong one, you've failed the litmus test of group accessibility
*Keeps bashing head against The Great Wall and getting nowhere*
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03-12-2019, 05:33 AMMixt
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03-12-2019, 05:45 AMAppleJinx
The reason is rather simple really. They don't want to put in the work to get into a premade and actually contribute in a significant way when they get into BA themselves , but they also want a free clear at the same time. It's basically like afking at the aetheryte waiting for a nm to pop. They can argue all day about semantics with you and take the moral high ground with endless virtue signaling but that doesn't change the simple fact that they are reaping the benefits of other people's hard work and feeling entitled to them at the same time.
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03-12-2019, 05:48 AMTsumdereAt this point it is just sounding like you are actively trying to fail to make the Discords seem like an insurmountable challenge. It's a chat room. Are you asking for help? Are you actually reading the rules and instructions? Or are you just floundering around with this preconceived notion that it is hard and scary so you don't bother to try?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mixt
Consider - I taught my grandmother how to use Discord. It is not rocket science. -
03-12-2019, 06:01 AMLyraKuroneko
At this point it is a break that seems to be needed, for everyone...
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03-12-2019, 06:05 AMDeceptus
Because it's a pretty basic concept:
You can't "claim" anything in a public instance / dungeon.
Don't know what there is confusing or to be upset about this over. -
03-12-2019, 06:05 AMMixt
I have spent hours on trying to figure out how i'm supposed to "Assign my role"
And it's made pretty clear by the rules and instructions (Which don't tell you how to do that) that if you can't do that then you have "Failed the Litmus Test for Group Accessibility"
Or in other words "You don't understand how this third party software works, therefore you are not welcome here, have a nice day!"
I am horribly confused as to just how this system is supposed to work, it's clear i'm missing something but i can't find any indication of what it might be.
I blame a combination of unclear wording and my own lack of experience with voice chat technology.
What we can take away from this is that anyone who hasn't used voice chats before is going to have a real bad time of it. -
03-12-2019, 06:09 AMwereotterThe problem, as you overlooked, is for the person on the outside of the Discord group needing to both join the group, or know who the admin is and hope to have some way to contact that person in FFXIV, and then you have to hope that person is online at the same time as you, and if the person isn't on your server, you're going to have a much harder time contacting that person. It's not just "oh just send the admin a message!" because the message of who that person is isn't readily available, and goes back to my earlier comment that I would expect someone to trust the person in their group as opposed to the outside party. Hence why I don't trust the group to police itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alucard135
Look I'm not defending bad behavior by any party, and this whole situation is just a giant mess that I'm opting out of participating in, but those who are part of a larger group have a responsibility to acting better than the terms of service allow exactly because their behaviour reflects back on everyone involved.
Also I don't think the discord group helped us as a region get better, it only served to further divide the community. People here already get really nasty when people are learning, or when people don't do what they expect, and rather than help someone improve, they will just kick you or they'll just take their proverbial ball and go home (remember skip soar or disband?) We as a community have a lot of maturing to do, and I don't think the discord group has helped us get there, if anything it's made things worse. -
03-12-2019, 06:22 AMTsumdereSo, funny thing is I joined the Chaos Discord to see what is up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mixt
It says in #read-me-first to type ?roleready in the #ready-role-dispenser when ready. So, you didn't read the "read me first" or at least did not comprehend it. This is not a third-party software issue, but one where they are seeing if people can follow instructions or not.
I also see from a search from your user that you have asked no questions, just complained vaguely about being stonewalled. People are not mind readers, they cannot help you if you do not clearly state what you want.
I will give you though - that the EU Discord is not as easy as the NA Discord. In NA, we simply just type ~lfg role and bots handle the rest. It is a good point to bring up with the owners of the EU Discord. However, signing up in EU was a process that took about 2 minutes for myself, regardless of my complete lack of experience with their system, because I read instructions. -
03-12-2019, 06:30 AMMixt
I'm supposed to type something in the Ready-Role-Dispenser channel?
The one that says "You do not have permission to send messages in this channel"?
The one that i can't type in?
Because if that's the case then there is a problem right there.
I'm running in circles and smashing headfirst into that exact issue every time, find myself thinking there must be something else going on, wander off to try to find whatever it is, find nothing, come back, headbash again, repeat.
Or in other words, the instructions and the reality of the situation don't match
No amount of reading instructions helps when you trying to follow said instructions leads right into a dead end.
I went back and read it over again, still not getting anywhere.
The only thing i can find is the checkmark reaction thing
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03-12-2019, 06:43 AMTsumdereAh, fair enough. I didn't want to type anything in because I didn't want to clog any queues with my Aether butt, but you are right. It seems like they have replaced the system with just clicking the check mark. Seems that you have since your name is yellow now, you already are readied up. Now the rest of it is checking the raid schedule they have listed and hopping in at those times. Communicating with fellow players and all. They do need to remove that phrase though. Bring it up, it's conflicting information they should know about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mixt
Clicking on the check mark assigns you a role (@Arsenal Knight) that makes your name yellow. This role unlocks the room where people are organizing runs. From my brief look (listen, I had a giant Balmung tag next to my name and was getting nervous and wanted to leave LOL) it seems that it's quiet right now. It seems EU has set times where they are hosting runs instead of NAs rolling queue system.
Again, I implore you to not throw in the towel and step up and ask questions. Seems like with a few minutes of collaboration between two people, we've figured out more in a few minutes than you have in several hours just being frustrated alone. There is over 3,000 people in that Discord, so clearly 3,000+ of them have made it work - all presumably with different skill levels of Discord (which is just a chat room. It's not something scary). Someone will help if you ask nicely.