BA shows that we fail as a Community (big time)

We're all petty in our own ways deep down

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Originally Posted by Sheriyana

Yeap, this is it. Weren't the relic chimera and hydra just open world bosses at first that were turned into trials since they were almost impossible to complete the original way? That's the impression I've gotten anyway, I never made it to 50 at 2.0 launch. I wonder how they're going to implement the Yojimbo trial from the fanfest if it's not part of Hildibrand, Yojimbo is a key part of the Stormblood Hildibrand story and I can't really see them not tie the trial into that considering Yojimbo's position in it. I mean they could just randomly throw him into Orbonne in the place of that living armor trash miniboss but you'd think they'd have learned their lesson from the Proto-Ultima backlash.

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I think they were? The 2.16 patch notes say that the fights "can now be challenged via the Duty Finder" (emphasis mine), which makes me think as much, but I didn't start playing until last year, so I can't confirm it personally. As for the Yojimbo trial, I'm really not certain; I'd assume that they'd make it available through the Hildibrand quests because nothing else would make sense, and maybe they just walked back on their previous position or something (wouldn't be the first time...).

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Originally Posted by Seraph522

I think they were? The 2.16 patch notes say that the fights "can now be challenged via the Duty Finder" (emphasis mine), which makes me think as much, but I didn't start playing until last year, so I can't confirm it personally. As for the Yojimbo trial, I'm really not certain; I'd assume that they'd make it available through the Hildibrand quests because nothing else would make sense, and maybe they just walked back on their previous position or something (wouldn't be the first time...).

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That's as much as I've managed to find out as well, but they're pretty much dungeon level bosses like your original point was. And yeah, I'd like Yojimbo to get his own trial, he really deserves it, the encounter in Kugane Castle was pretty pathetic but all we can really do is wait to find out what they're doing. At least if it's part of Hildibrand that would mean we're getting the trial a few days after the Tokyo fanfest with the rest of the story and the last Hildibrand.

I have only managed to get into BA with enough people to actually try it out two times.

First time there are three groups, one group on one side and two on the other.

We manage to get to the first boss, but then the tank in the other group on that side immediately pulls the boss, before the group on the other side can arrive at their boss.

A few seconds later the boss does a 999999 damage unavoidable room-wide AOE.
Wipe.

The tank who pulled is all "WTF?" and starts cussing.

Second time around in the corridor full of trash mobs leading up to the first boss one DPS is all "Big pulls!" and when ignored he runs ahead, aggroes multiple trash mobs and then RUNS BACK INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE PARTY WITH THEM CHASING HIM.

Wipe.

And the DPS with his "Ranged attack aggro the mobs and then run back to the tank because BIG PULLS are FASTAH" acts like it's my fault we all died.
Because apparantly expecting me to be able to tank more than one of those trash mobs when 5 magicite in defense, Shield Oath AND a defensive cooldown still means 10k+ damage per auto is totally reasonable.

For The Great Dragons Sake, you can't treat this place like a normal dungeon!

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Originally Posted by Reinha

If content doesn't inspire people to work together then it's the design that has failed. 24 man raids do just fine in getting a big group of total strangers to co-operate and teach each other.

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Oh that so is that y everyone is always yelling at each other <.> or going all grammar police on macros

So BA shows we failed? Not the mindset of the average community member when tackling content? You'd think having over half the community getting carried in EX fights would be a pretty damning sign of failure.

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Originally Posted by Mixt

I have only managed to get into BA with enough people to actually try it out two times.

First time there are three groups, one group on one side and two on the other.

We manage to get to the first boss, but then the tank in the other group on that side immediately pulls the boss, before the group on the other side can arrive at their boss.

A few seconds later the boss does a 999999 damage unavoidable room-wide AOE.
Wipe.

The tank who pulled is all "WTF?" and starts cussing.

Second time around in the corridor full of trash mobs leading up to the first boss one DPS is all "Big pulls!" and when ignored he runs ahead, aggroes multiple trash mobs and then RUNS BACK INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE PARTY WITH THEM CHASING HIM.

Wipe.

And the DPS with his "Ranged attack aggro the mobs and then run back to the tank because BIG PULLS are FASTAH" acts like it's my fault we all died.
Because apparantly expecting me to be able to tank more than one of those trash mobs when 5 magicite in defense, Shield Oath AND a defensive cooldown still means 10k+ damage per auto is totally reasonable.

For The Great Dragons Sake, you can't treat this place like a normal dungeon!

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This is generally what happen when you get a pure pug pt. I guess in a way discord pt are pug too since it is not a static but an organized pug pt.

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once those Parties manage to get into a instance together and people figured "wait, there are 4 parties int here who wanna do BA" THEN all of a sudden everyone has interest

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Uh... yeah, that's how things work.

"Hey, I want to do this content, but it doesnt seem like anyone else really wants to" vs "I want to do this content and so do other people!".

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Originally Posted by Seraph522

I think they were? The 2.16 patch notes say that the fights "can now be challenged via the Duty Finder" (emphasis mine), which makes me think as much, but I didn't start playing until last year, so I can't confirm it personally. As for the Yojimbo trial, I'm really not certain; I'd assume that they'd make it available through the Hildibrand quests because nothing else would make sense, and maybe they just walked back on their previous position or something (wouldn't be the first time...).

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It has been years but if my memory hasn't degraded completely you had to make your own group of 8 people then the entire group had go to Eastern Thanalan / CCH then a person doing the quest or someone who had done it already had to get leader and click on a instance bubble next to Halatali / the chimera cave in CCH like you do for instanced MSQ/job quest battles and then you'd get sent into the instanced boss arenas just like you do with the DF now. All the 2.16 change did was let you queue for it with randoms instead of forming your own group and getting everyone together in the zone (kinda like premade potd/hoh) before entering the instanced fight.

People get together in discords with hundred to thousand of players in several country to organize themselves and mitigate the terrible design of how BA can be entered. I don't really see how it shows that we fail as a community. The different discords even go as far as coordinate with each other to avoid stepping on each other feets. Hell, groups even go as far as helping other premades to fill instances so they get an empty instance.

I've been doing a lot of runs because I m actually leading some runs, and only a few players actually bitch in /shout channel and even less people "sniping" portals. The players are incredibly well behaved considering how terrible the design is, it could have been total war but that's not even the case.