Wrongful kicking people on third boss in new Ivalice raid

About the worst thing that was going on in my parties was that peoples' gear was breaking. I just want to be able to repair gear other than my own.

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Originally Posted by Spiriel_Basanda

Not all groups are bad about it, I got lucky with my group. No salt in chat(at least not in Alliance or my group's chat), we all just treated it like a progression raid. No wipes on the first boss, two or three wipes on the second boss, something more like five or six on the third boss, and one wipe on the last boss. We cleared the raid with three minutes left on the clock. Not a single vote abandon. There were a couple leavers, but that group for the most part stuck to it until we won.

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This is why I try to always do the new fights early. It's generally a bunch of people who are willing to talk things out and point out mechanics they noticed to each other, because we're all in the same boat trying something new the first day. Sometimes we get it done, and sometimes we time out and I get to take what I learned to another group and get them past the first 2-3 fights more easily.

I cleared the raid okay the first time, but went in a second time to help a friend and one of the healers who was obviously with the tank kicked our other healer for being "afk" which I am shocked went through considering they were doing a good majority of the healing. (The healer that was with the tank was also way more undergearred, I'm talking I saw a couple 310 pieces on them)
Incredibly frustrating to see.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

A couple people grouped up throw kicks around like crazy in dungeons.

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But when you go to vote kick you have 4 choices as to why. If none of these match why you're really kicking or what the person did then you're in fact lying and abusing the system. Grouping up with 3 people and doing this makes it even worse.

Sad thing is I expect this to get really bad and I don't expect SE to do anything about it.

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Originally Posted by Krojack

But when you go to vote kick you have 4 choices as to why. If none of these match why you're really kicking or what the person did then you're in fact lying and abusing the system. Grouping up with 3 people and doing this makes it even worse.

Sad thing is I expect this to get really bad and I don't expect SE to do anything about it.

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Yep. I know of people who do it for laughs, kick someone before last boss, etc.

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Originally Posted by Krojack

But when you go to vote kick you have 4 choices as to why. If none of these match why you're really kicking or what the person did then you're in fact lying and abusing the system. Grouping up with 3 people and doing this makes it even worse.

Sad thing is I expect this to get really bad and I don't expect SE to do anything about it.

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If a GM will follow up on this and asks someone why he started a kick vote the answer will be different playstyle and nothing will happen.

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Originally Posted by Krojack

So what you're saying is, you not being kicked means abuse never happens and that vote kicking a tank because they survived the longest on a dungeon boss and didn't die quick enough means they deserved it. Got it.

So WoW dungeon kick mentality has finally come to FFXIV. Great, just what we needed.

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No, what I'm saying is - in the 5+ years I've played this game - I've personally never seen anyone kicked that didn't deserve it. Are there trolls in this game? Sure, and there always will be. But they are awfully few and far between (at least the intolerable ones).

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Originally Posted by Yuiipuru

I cleared the raid okay the first time, but went in a second time to help a friend and one of the healers who was obviously with the tank kicked our other healer for being "afk" which I am shocked went through considering they were doing a good majority of the healing. (The healer that was with the tank was also way more undergearred, I'm talking I saw a couple 310 pieces on them)
Incredibly frustrating to see.

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Sadly new raid means lots of impatient players kicking and attempting to abandon after 1 or 2 wipes. With the occasional bad egg trying to kick other players to cover up their own mistakes...

If difference of playstyle is an acceptable reason to remove someone can you really say abuse happens? With a vague term like that it covers nearly anything.

While not funny for some I have been in a group where a vote for removal was initiated because the person was not a lala.

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Originally Posted by Krojack

But when you go to vote kick you have 4 choices as to why. If none of these match why you're really kicking or what the person did then you're in fact lying and abusing the system. Grouping up with 3 people and doing this makes it even worse.

Sad thing is I expect this to get really bad and I don't expect SE to do anything about it.

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No. "Differences in playstyle" is a legitimate reason to dismiss someone according to SE and that's not on the list.

I'm sure "vote abuse" does happen, but I'm also certain that people greatly exaggerate how much it happens or how big a problem it is. If a player is repeatedly being removed from various unrelated groups it's not very difficult to pinpoint the problem (hint: the problem isn't with the system). For everyone else, chalk it up to a group of jackasses and move on.