Datacenters: A Plea For Community Building, Not Fracturing

Well I dont personally see why anyone other than an FC would need a mansion and 700 pieces of furniture, but that's the choice you've made.

Im not ok with having to pay money to be inconvenienced, but at the same time, people like yourselves who have over invested in housing are the minority. Setting up an entirely new system of storage for people who cant be accommodated by whats already available is unlikely to happen. In a perfect world it would be great but realistically theres only so much they can do.
Giving more than 3mil would be overkill for the majority, and setting up new storage options would take further resources, snd may not even be possible given the restrictions of the base code.
At most, they could offer a free retainer or two for that month.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

I'm just praying that SE is smart enough to lock Housing down for the two week period... Particularly with EU where we're getting new servers and thus entirely new Housing Wards...

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The new servers are only coming at/after 5.0. That's what they said.

It is a Free Company Mansion... Why do you think I have two Private Rooms?

Oh that reminds me, actually... Free Company Estates aren't even eligible for the Gil refund, right? Excellent.

Like I've said, they could be handling this a lot better, but well... If you want to go for the "you're a minority so this is fine" defense, I guess I'll just stop now. No point continuing this.

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

The new servers are only coming at/after 5.0. That's what they said.

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LMFAO? Are you serious? So they're adding new servers and they wont even benefit from the free transfer? Come on... How the flip can anyone be defending how SE is handling this right now? What a complete joke... I hope you're mistaken, but honestly I kind of expect that level of tact from SE at this point...

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Originally Posted by Nalien

LMFAO? Are you serious? So they're adding new servers and they wont even benefit from the free transfer? Come on... How the flip can anyone be defending how SE is handling this right now? What a complete joke...

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Or they'll do free transfers when they come out, like they did with Omega and Louisoix. Cut the kneejerk reactions just to attack SE.

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

Or they'll do free transfers when they come out, like they did with Omega and Louisoix. Cut the kneejerk reactions just to attack SE.

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It was one thing when this was two weeks around 4.5, but drawing out this uncertainty til early summer? Yeah, sorry, but this is a mess... Why even wait that long to add new servers? Just slap them in along with the split like any sensible person would... Really not looking forward to months of "I hope I can regain this plot" when I want to be excited for the damned expansion instead... Now I potentially have to move server twice? Seriously, this is just a mess... I can't believe how ineptly this whole split is being handled so far...

Yeah, I think there's always incentives for moving to new servers.

As for fixtures, those are now retrievable - you can't remove them directly, but replace them and the item should reappear in your inventory.

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Originally Posted by SomeRandomHuman

Again, there's fault on both sides. SE waited so long partly due to the sense of community. And then when they finally did, it took mere seconds for people to start having a fit. SE gave them what they wanted, and the whole DC suffers from it. So yes, please excuse the hate from the rest of the DC when Balmung costs up Sub time because of their congestion.

As for housing yes its a total mess and SE doesn't seem to want to fix it. I'm lucky to have both mine and my FC's house. If I lose them I can just find another place that's quiet and easy to access to afk and enjoy some quiet ambiance.

People are quick to blame the product, but the people are equally guilty here sadly. Just because you can go to the server doesn't mean you should. SE enabled yes, but ultimately the people that went for it are what are causing the problem.

The reason for the overpopulation isn't the issue, the server crashing an entire DC and taking all the other servers with it is the issue.

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No they didn't. They waited because it was profitable. Balmung's uneven population totals were evident before Heavensward even launched. They had years to address it and did absolutely nothing. SE didn't give them anything as the server stayed locked despite what amounted to only a handful of complaints. And we're once again back to this congestion nonsense. You know what caused the DC to implode? The devs put an instance roughly ten quests into the MSQ, thereby making it inevitable virtually every single player would all attempt to queue at nearly the same time. If it were merely a Balmung issue, why did Primal and Chaos also explode? NEST even posted a mock video where Drak waited two days to access Duty Finder. Going a step further, this exact issue occurred again during Deltascape. Why? They put another instance almost immediately into the quest chain. Yoshida even admitted outright that caused the servers to crash.

The other issue is their auto log-off system is laughably easy to exploit. Target a market board, craft, summon your retainer; the list goes on. This rendered it useless since people were sharing how to get around being logged out even in-game. Now yes, Balmung obviously had a larger volume but every server had people doing this. The queue times subsided when they implemented a forced log out. Even Balmung had queues less than ten minutes afterwards.

Good for you? While you may not harbor attachments, others do. And once settled into their communities, they had little incentive to leave. A free transfer to only preferred worlds certainly wasn't going to motivate them.

As for going to the server. Many people were entirely unaware. I used to be on Balmung myself; transferring three days after my free trial ran out because I had friends on the server who sold me on the game and roleplaying. They, themselves, were also relatively new and simply went to Balmung because it had been deemed the unofficial RP server. I wager most players had similar experiences to me. Meanwhile, FFXIV's closest competitor avoided this problem by actually locking overcrowded servers and not taking extra money to get around it.

People blame the product because the product is at fault. You can't ignore a problem for almost four years than point the finger at the playerbase for not fixing the very problem you created.

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Originally Posted by SomeRandomHuman

Again, there's fault on both sides. SE waited so long partly due to the sense of community. And then when they finally did, it took mere seconds for people to start having a fit. SE gave them what they wanted, and the whole DC suffers from it. So yes, please excuse the hate from the rest of the DC when Balmung costs up Sub time because of their congestion.

As for housing yes its a total mess and SE doesn't seem to want to fix it. I'm lucky to have both mine and my FC's house. If I lose them I can just find another place that's quiet and easy to access to afk and enjoy some quiet ambiance.

People are quick to blame the product, but the people are equally guilty here sadly. Just because you can go to the server doesn't mean you should. SE enabled yes, but ultimately the people that went for it are what are causing the problem.

The reason for the overpopulation isn't the issue, the server crashing an entire DC and taking all the other servers with it is the issue.

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Originally Posted by SomeRandomHuman

The player base is just as guilty sadly. It's not all the fault of one side. It's from both sides. A lot of people hate on Balmung because when that server crashes the whole DC, we ALL lose sub time. Not just the server, but the whole DC while its clear that people on Balmung are saying its tech related. Many tech savvy people here on the forums have tried to explain the actual expenses of hardware upgrades. Especially when SE has said they don't wanna have to rebuild their infrastructure from the ground up.

So by trying to force SE to upgrade the servers, SE is executing their last ditch effort to relieve stress: forced moves. The community brought it upon themselves. I'll be losing touch with a few friends, but guess what? That's what things like discord are for.

We're too far in to get SE to change their mind. You just have to accept it. If you wanna try to make a change then you have to speak with your wallet.

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SE's fully at fault for this problem, why are you saying otherwise? Fun to insult a group of people? fun to argue with people? Fun to get people upset for no reason?

Also people do not have to accept it, I think people here are missing something critical here. We do not need this game, people are free to unsub to cause SE loss in revue due to disagreeing with these poorly made decisions. The Server crashing a full DC is SE's fault for running outdated hardware/software/ 1.0 coding. The playerbase shouldn't have to put up with it.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

Yeah exactly. It would be a Big Problem if everyone had to shell out $18 to transfer, but if everyone can coordinate and decided on where to go, then there's very little to lose. Just like moving in real life. It sucks, and you gotta haul a bunch of stuff around, and get re-situated, but it's not that bad.

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More of "this does not effect me so it is not a big deal" It is a big problem, free transfer is not enough, getting gil back is not enough, getting 3 Mil for SE not giving enough inventory space is not enough, we should be getting a house back for SE's shortcoming. We should not be losing anything for a problem SE made.

Also to echo, 700 furnishings is very realistic number for someone. do you want to know the number for 1 character that owns a large house, founder of a FC where the FC house is a large, furnished that, who solo built the shop of 4 airships and 4 subs to max level, a FC room and an apartment? Do you really think 3 mil is anything close to reasonable to put all that together? No gil amount would be, the time invested far outpaces anything SE can offer gil wise, because offering enough gil to everyone in situations like that would cause insane hyperinflation.

We do not want gil, we want our house back, something we earned, something we put a lot of time into, something a free transfer and 3 M gil does not get back.

Lastly, don't you dare think we should ne "grateful" or "thankful" for SE not charging for transfers for 2 weeks. SE knows better then to kill off their game outright. It is not for our benefit. They only care about money and profits.

Then lets not forget players like hosuing cat (a house hoarder that posts here who happens to be on gilgamesh) Guess what kind of players are going to be really making out after this change? The aether playerbase like housing cat who will be able sell Aether housing at insane prices because of the shortage.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

People blame the product because the product is at fault. You can't ignore a problem for almost four years than point the finger at the playerbase for not fixing the very problem you created.

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So why do you think some want to blame the playerbase?

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Originally Posted by Hamada

More of "this does not effect me so it is not a big deal"

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It literally does affect me. I'm transferring worlds once the free transfer period starts, so at the moment I'm trying to get all my ducks in a row, packing all my stuff, dealing with having to disband my FC, etc., and making sure everything is in order to leave.

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Originally Posted by Hamada

Lastly, don't you dare think we should ne "grateful" or "thankful" for SE not charging for transfers for 2 weeks.

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I also never said that. I said nothing about being grateful, I said it was less of a problem because transferring is free.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

That being said, the OP doesn't present a good counter argument. A merger isn't remotely possible, especially given SE seems intent not maintaining their current, heavily dated, infrastructure.

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That was the point. They have the server visitation tech, find a way to use that feature to spread the load on bottlenecks. Investment in their servers should be the #1 priority. All of the fantasias people buy should have it be worth it. It's 2018 and people still need to use a vpn in order to have a stable connection.