My ideology behind parses is how to improve vs mechanics. What is your point? That some idiots use them as e-peen meters? That lasted very shortly in WoW and shouldn't be considered as a thing in FF14 at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnSeal
Want to know what really matters? Clearing 200 solo, clearing kefka god, etc...
That's when parses matter globally. The rest of the time they are an indicator of if you should read up on your class, learn about a boss fight or mechanics, etc...
You can clear most content with your thumb in a special place and people will usually not comment about it, if they do, you're either in a farm party - for which you should definitely know what the heck you're doing - or it's misplaced. Yet every opportunity of learning is on you.
If you're in a learning party, you should ask questions if you're not sure. If you're blind and ask nothing after 1-2 wipes, that's on you and you're wasting everyone's time.
There are legitimately very few occasions where it's on you but if you're in those situations, don't be the idiot.
Edit: again, if idiots keep teasing you about logs/meters, report them. Don't assume they're the only ones running them. Most run them for themselves.
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07-20-2018, 02:11 PMLazlo69
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07-20-2018, 02:43 PMJohnSealI think BIS it’s relevant for DPS but as healers I don’t need BIS. I don’t need it because I can do equally amazing with or without. I am not lazy and I play so many hours everyday but I won’t get obsessed for a specific gear because with the same amount of time I can gear up more classes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra
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07-20-2018, 02:50 PMRognarB
responding to a bait thread
Parsing completely flipped around how I played the game. I'm a sam main and I thought myself hot shit when I was doing shinryu a couple of times and could do v2s until 4.2 rolled out and decided to parse myself for the kicks of it.
First thing I realised was how shit I was and I needed to improve.
I had to completely remake my build, look up bis guides and why such items are needed.
Not only I had to revisit my opener but my whole damn approach to my rotation and make use of Hagakure to spit out more Shinten than whats humanly possible.
It took me a whole 2 months to spin myself around.
And today I've beaten everything short of UwU (because no statics), have ascended to bis and I have purple across the board for Sigma Savage.
And I could keep track of my skill and gear progress tru all this process, which was encouraging enough on its own.
And it also gives me the ability to pick and chose my teammates in PF so I dont run into grade A shitters/trap parties as often now that I have an OBJECTIVE measure of skill.
in short: Parsing is totally rad and only smelly greys would disagree -
07-20-2018, 02:52 PMHyoMinParkBut BiS is not pointless. What you’re saying here doesn’t solidify your statement of it being pointless. Better gear = better stats (main and substats) = better heals (if you actually know how to heal) = better DPS. Same for tanks (minus the healing aspect...unless you’re a WAR).Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnSeal
You shouldn’t have made your troll attempt so obvious. Better luck next time, I guess. -
07-20-2018, 02:53 PMKaivaCYou say that while having half of the BiS gear already and mostly 370 gear save for your Tsuki weapon...Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnSeal
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07-20-2018, 02:56 PMJohnSeal
[QUOTE=SargentToughie;4729796]I would absolutely love to see you prove that.
I've got data and statistics to back up my performance on various jobs in the game
I don’t care about logs at all and I don’t think it’s fair to classify player and their abilities but their logs! That’s my point, and the parses create an hostile environment in the entire community. Because for your own gain player are damaging the entire team. I am against the ideology of parses! -
07-20-2018, 02:56 PMConsurgens
The issue is not parser, but it's users. ACT and FFlogs are perfect examples of great tools that are poorly utilized. This is generally not a problem in statics and other closed groups, but on the other hand, I've been noticing some issues regarding it's usage in PF.
As someone who pugs 100% of end-game content (except Ultimate), I can say with certain experience that there is a FFlogs culture slowly growing in pugs... but in the flawed, selfish way. I've had a number of cases where players either die on purpose, refuse to accept raises or overall force a wipe because they died early to an accident and their DPS dropped like rock. It's usually very subtle but you can notice patterns (why is the person typing asking for a reset but not accepting the raise?) This leads to a somewhat stressful atmosphere where it seems everyone is out for themselves rather than working as a team. As a tank, I've lost count of times I've died to basic attacks from bosses even with Rampart + TBN + Grit on, because my healers are busy refreshing their DoTs and are usually the ones who post the run's numbers on FFlogs (if they get a good number, naturally).
Thankfully, those unfortunate cases are still a rarity compared to smooth runs where the tank is willing to go tank stance to alleviate the healers or the healer is willing to hard cast some heals because someone messed up - accidents happen after all, specially in groups with little coordination like pugs; but I do worry that such selfish culture expands. I'm grateful for the current difficulty of Savage raiding because it allowed the growth of a healthy (numerically speaking) PF raiding scene for those of us who dislike/can't find static groups, but at the same time, said playerbase still haven't adapted to actual raiding maturity, such as teamwork, adaptation, patience, self-criticism etc.
Does this mean parsers should be controlled or banned? No. Unfortunately, the pug life is the equivalent of a wild west, no man's land. As someone already mentioned in this thread, your best bet is creating your own group and hope that such behavior does not expand. -
07-20-2018, 02:59 PMHyoMinParkI wonder how you came across said data. :thinking:Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnSeal
Logs clearly show ability; any raider worth their salt — or anyone who knows how to properly read a log in general — can see that.Quote:
I don’t care about logs at all and I don’t think it’s fair to classify player and their abilities but their logs! That’s my point, and the parses create an hostile environment in the entire community. Because for your own gain player are damaging the entire team. I am against the ideology of parses!
Logs also show a lack of ability. -
07-20-2018, 03:05 PMFredco191
PSHH! YOU-
DAMN IT!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dualgunner
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07-20-2018, 03:07 PMshibeouya
I agree that parsing is the worst thing that happened to the game.
I can't even count the number of parties I've been in where a healer just lets people die because MUH DPS. This kind of behavior is directly tied to parsers. I've seen statics disband because of this, several times.
Sure it can be used to improve, but at the same time it's not available to console players so it's pretty unfair to a good chunk of the community.
People just look at parses out of context and treat it as an absolute measure of skill - which it really isn't. It's just a lazy and quick way to get a vague measure of one's ability.
Parsers are the reason I stopped raiding seriously a while back, and given what I've been hearing lately I'm glad I'm no longer doing it.
Parsers themselves are a good idea, but too easy to abuse and misuse, you absolutely positively can't have a single number to judge someone's ability in complex fights, yet it seems most people just look at that one number and call it a day.
I found that a great way to weed out the trash is to hide your logs - most players won't care, and only the kind of toxic elitist who looks at logs in absolute will ask about it, in which case it saves me time as I know I have no interest playing with these people :) Thankfully it's pretty rare, but still happens once in a while.