Scholar since 4.1 patch - how are we finding it?

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Originally Posted by Riyshn

I would argue that the hit to our synergy (aside from the obvious Dissipation/Aetherpact conflict), is actually the removal of Cleric Stance. Scholar feels disjointed because it is, because it was designed to take full advantage of Cleric stance dancing, and the dual-stage gameplay that that created. Now that that's gone, we've lost a core mechanical strength, and the tools that worked well with that are just kinda left hanging.



Nope, shields still aren't as strong. (numbers assume a crit multiplier of 1.4)

SCH:
Adlo: 300/300
Crit Adlo: 420/840
Succor: 150/225
Crit Succor: 210/315
Noct. AST:
Asp.Bene: 230/575
Crit Asp.Bene: 322/805
Asp.Helios: 172.5/258.75
Crit Asp.Helios: 241.5/362.25

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that only SCH Adlo gets a bonus from a crit, and no other shield spell does. I remember hearing/reading that somewhere.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that only SCH Adlo gets a bonus from a crit, and no other shield spell does. I remember hearing/reading that somewhere.

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No, you're right, but since the base heal is higher because of the crit, the shield will also naturally be higher. It doesn't go above and beyond like Adlo does.

What inhaldecorn said. It's just misleading to list out the number comparisons without accurately reflecting the final values from crit/Noct multipliers.

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Originally Posted by Clouse_Cleyra

Oh didnt rememberd that, well AST is stronger on aoe shields then haha.
Im still sticking to SCH for Unending Coil thou xD

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succor has a shorter cast time though given same potency to A.Helios.
Nocturnal's 15% bonus is merely a compensation for its simplistic healing set.

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Originally Posted by Riyshn

I would argue that the biggest hit to our synergy (aside from the obvious Dissipation/Aetherpact conflict), is actually the removal of Cleric Stance.

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Completely agree with this and sadly I do think this was a last minute decision that the devs made to appease to the casuals. Those same casuals who are still not DPSing, but let’s leave that discussion in another thread.

The reason I say last minute is because if you look at SCHs Stormblood additions, both Fey Union and Excogitation seem like abilities that were specifically designed to keep more uptime in Cleric Stance. A kit that would have actually emphasised how good SCH was with the old Cleric Stance, but instead that changed and now healer DPS is faceroll easy on all three. It’s a real shame because people generally considered SCH and WAR to be the best designed jobs, not just because they were powerful but because of their core mechanics. SE did a great job at ruining their own creation in that sense.

I’m not really sure what SCH needs at this point. It’s pretty evident that the job is fine and doesn’t need buffs, just changes to its gameplay. But I think that’s a rework that all healers need. People complain that there isn’t much to actually heal in this game, and on top of that we hardly ever even use a GCD on a heal. For healers to simply DPS, throw an oGCD and then continue to DPS seems like pretty bad design in general. Until some core changes are made to content and the role in general, I think it will be hard to achieve satisfying gameplay for healers. Subjective, I know.

Fey Union was designed more to remove fairy micromanagement and randomness. This way you constantly aren't needing to spam embrace, just use fey during long periods and go. Excog I don't see much point to, so I can't say much on that.

I can say cleric would probably have killed dpsing in Stormblood if it existed the old way, though. mechanics and incoming damage seem a bit faster than in HW, and dpsing would be harder to enter into because there are times when you simply can't risk the penalty.

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Originally Posted by Kabzy

Completely agree with this and sadly I do think this was a last minute decision that the devs made to appease to the casuals.

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At PAX East Yoshi P stated his dislike for Cleric Stance, which was a major hint that this was destined to go.
Nothing last minute or 'appease the casuals' as you put it.

Got my SCH to 64 now, and I'm starting to appreciate it more. The Succor boost is definitely noticeable. Looking forward to getting it to 70 and trying out the new toys, which is not something that was true before.

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Originally Posted by Teraluna

At PAX East Yoshi P stated his dislike for Cleric Stance, which was a major hint that this was destined to go.
Nothing last minute or 'appease the casuals' as you put it.

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It's speculation. You can't prove that he meant it was to be removed as his statement only alluded to it being changed in some way. And I also can't prove that it was last minute. However, it's still obvious that both the moves I mentioned were designed with Cleric Stance in mind. They literally synergise brilliantly with the old iteration of it.

And lol it was definitely to appease the casuals, whether you agree with it or not. This entire expansion gutted most jobs for the casuals. Good healers were never limited by Cleric Stance, it's the overwhelming majority of questionable ones that couldn't handle it.

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Originally Posted by Kabzy

It's speculation. You can't prove that he meant it was to be removed as his statement only alluded to it being changed in some way. And I also can't prove that it was last minute. However, it's still obvious that both the moves I mentioned were designed with Cleric Stance in mind. They literally synergise brilliantly with the old iteration of it.

And lol it was definitely to appease the casuals, whether you agree with it or not. This entire expansion gutted most jobs for the casuals. Good healers were never limited by Cleric Stance, it's the overwhelming majority of questionable ones that couldn't handle it.

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Problem I have with this, the statement that we had great synergy with cleric stance, is that cleric stance wasn't even a scholar action. It's something we borrowed with cross, saying we were designed to synergize with a ability that isn't even from our kit is wierd to me. Seems backwards thing for the designers to do as well.