Excluding Players from Ultimate Savage is Not the Right Move

You do realise by the way, that the game already gates the existing raid difficulties behind other stuff?

You have to clear the main story questline to be able to unlock normal Deltascape. You have to clear all of normal Deltascape before you can access savage. So why is it suddenly unfair for that tradition to continue and ask for you to clear all of savage Deltascape for the next one? What about those poor souls that some on the boards claim will never get a Royal Menagerie clear because that fight is 'too hard'? I don't see you championing any of them.

You have to clear normal to unlock savage so it only makes sense that you have to clear savage to access ultimate Savage. This is the formula the game has been running with since savage was introduced, if you can't clear normal you don't get access to savage. If you can't clear savage then you don't get access to Ultimate Savage plain and simple.

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Originally Posted by technole

I just think the OP has a friend or someone that is left behind at the moment in savage, so they started this thread to think it's crazy to have such a requirement even if they, themselves are going to make it pretty soon. I'm not getting baited, I just agree with YoshiP 100% on the Ultimate subject and that's not a bad thing.

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You would be wrong. I am simply under the impression that all content should be enjoyable to all people. Is that such a bad idea? I'm slowly going to let this thread die. I don't want it to be a 40 page cryfest either. I've made my point about inclusion and how it affects none of you at all if other people who haven't cleared O4S can enjoy it either.

I guess op thinks people should just push a button and be level 70?

I mean, why should level 70 be gated behind 69 other levels.

while were at it, why do story either? Just instantly unlock all quests zones mounts and everything for everyone.
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LOL. Seriously though.

They lock it behind so that you have to prove you can handle it. If you cant handle the content before it then you should not be able to get to it either.

Like me, Im very casual. Do I wanna get there? Sure! But I have alot to still get through. And honestly I probably wont get to it, for a long while. But you know what? I prefer to not have them just hand it to me "oh here you go" Id love to be able to feel accomplished at getting to it.

even *if* they opened it, how many groups do you think will actually take them?

Id bet a years sub that most people running the party finder/static or whatever would make clearing the other content a requirement even if SE didn't people would still be denied

Can't clear extreme primals, no access to mentor roulette. "But I know I can be a good mentor, even if I don't know most of the end-game!"

Can't clear savage, no access to ultimate. "But I know I can do it, even if I hadn't cleared the hardest content available currently!"

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Originally Posted by Cenerae

You do realise by the way, that the game already gates the existing raid difficulties behind other stuff?

You have to clear the main story questline to be able to unlock normal Deltascape. You have to clear all of normal Deltascape before you can access savage. So why is it suddenly unfair for that tradition to continue and ask for you to clear all of savage Deltascape for the next one? What about those poor souls that some on the boards claim will never get a Royal Menagerie clear because that fight is 'too hard'? I don't see you championing any of them.

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Because clearing normal mode does not take dedication and is not a real gate at all. Clearing 04S is not because not all are capable. Pretty sure all are capable of clearing Omega normal mode.

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Originally Posted by Starflake

You would be wrong. I am simply under the impression that all content should be enjoyable to all people. Is that such a bad idea? I'm slowly going to let this thread die. I don't want it to be a 40 page cryfest either. I've made my point about inclusion and how it affects none of you at all if other people who haven't cleared O4S can enjoy it either.

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You might not want it to go off the rails, but you aren't really presenting a good case. And this is coming from a casual player who hasn't even touched Deltascape Savage. But I disagree regardless. Let the hardcore crowd have their hardcore content. Who cares? Not gonna be too many people who manage to do it, at least not to start.

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Originally Posted by technole

Can't clear extreme primals, no access to mentor roulette. "But I know I can be a good mentor, even if I don't know most of the end-game!"

Can't clear savage, no access to ultimate. "But I know I can do it, even if I hadn't cleared the hardest content available currently!"

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Mentors need to show the necessary experience in order for them to be queued into content with other people. Again a false equivalence by you. Not having cleared any content as a mentor renders you uncapable as a mentor. To get into Super Savage content, you should not have to clear O4S, as you do not have any responsibility as a person of exampletive functions.

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Originally Posted by Starflake

You would be wrong. I am simply under the impression that all content should be enjoyable to all people. Is that such a bad idea? I'm slowly going to let this thread die. I don't want it to be a 40 page cryfest either. I've made my point about inclusion and how it affects none of you at all if other people who haven't cleared O4S can enjoy it either.

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But it does effect others. It would have them trying to join parties going "oh yeah, I know what I'm doing" and causing a mess.

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Originally Posted by Starflake

Because clearing normal mode does not take dedication and is not a real gate at all. Clearing 04S is not because not all are capable. Pretty sure all are capable of clearing Omega normal mode.

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I see, so only things that *you* deem take dedication are important. Take your hypothetical person with a cognitive disability, the very soul you're trying to champion as someone who would desperately want access to this superhard content. They would find Royal Menagerie to be incredibly difficult, and I imagine they would struggle with normal Deltascape, let alone Savage. Shouldn't this poor beleaguered soul have access to all the hard content just in case he decides that he really wants to put his butt through the meat grinder for some reason? By your logic, we shouldn't be excluding people who lack the ability to pass the content after all.