Some healers make me panic

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

"Reasonably". If the tanks dying because the healer is prioritizing their own meter instead of their job, then they are objectively failing to do their one job as a healer and should be promptly replaced at the first opportunity.

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Under the assumption that the tank has done everything they could, yes. Chances are that is not the case, and the tank should be replaced.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

I personally generally start hard-casting heals at the 50% HP mark unless I have CDs up - Not because I need to, but precisely because I know tanks tend to panic when their HP gets much lower. If I let them drop much lower, they commonly start using all their CDs at once >_> But casting any earlier could be overheal if I crit.

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Same. If a tank can't handle being at 50% HP, they need more practice.

Can the tank community please decide on a consensus. Do you want us healers to push DPS or not? We get shit on and yelled at if we do or if we don't and it is kupoing annoying.

If you don't die then suck it up and keep moving. We care about your HP not your feelings.

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Originally Posted by DacienSanderon

Under the assumption that the tank has done everything they could, yes. Chances are that is not the case, and the tank should be replaced.

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Sorry, but if I die after using my two equilibrium, Vengeance, Anticipation, Rampart, ToB+Conv, Holm, and even raw intuition depending on how many mobs are still alive, I'm definitely going to be kicking the healer. :3 Or ignoring their requests for megapulls because they clearly can't handle it.

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Originally Posted by Maku

Can the tank community please decide on a consensus. Do you want us healers to push DPS or not? We get shit on and yelled at if we do or if we don't and it is kupoing annoying.

If you don't die then suck it up and keep moving. We care about your HP not your feelings.

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You seem to misunderstand. Party DPS is priority.
If you do something like Holy, Holy, Cure II, Cure II and my hp gets low, I am very likely to use clemency instead of eclipse, causing a dps loss. If I'm on war, the low hp might make me kite and cause some AoE attacks from the DPS classes to not hit all targets.

Alternatively, you could have cast Holy, cure II, holy, cure II, and provided identical dps contribution for the same time period, without me casting clemency or kiting, which would have resulted in better party dps.

Don't let us go low just because

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Originally Posted by Maeka

Seriously, you're worried about clipping Aero buffs that you want to wait to heal the tank?

*sigh* That one or two ticks of Aero is... what a couple hundred damage? That is NOT going to make the dungeon any shorter whatsoever... meanwhile, the tank decides that he's too low and decides to pop a Clemency which then prevents him from using Requiscat sooner which is far more damaging than a tick or two of Aero.

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The only class who would have this issue is PLD. I mean sure if you want to waste a clemency after 5 minutes in a dungeon, where I have yet to let you die.

Again, I said if the RATE of damage is LOW, I really don't care if they hit 20%. Taking 2% a second for example, because all of the mobs are dead but one.

If a tank pld wants to punish him/herself because I am using my tools effectively, suck it up or "go in with your own healer."

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Originally Posted by winsock

You seem to misunderstand. Party DPS is priority.
If you do something like Holy, Holy, Cure II, Cure II and my hp gets low, I am very likely to use clemency instead of eclipse, causing a dps loss. If I'm on war, the low hp might make me kite and cause some AoE attacks from the DPS classes to not hit all targets.

Alternatively, you could have cast Holy, cure II, holy, cure II, and provided identical dps contribution for the same time period, without me casting clemency or kiting, which would have resulted in better party dps.

Don't let us go low just because

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That is not how a proper healer would do any of what you just said. Especially an AST.
I will let you get as low as is safe while I pump out DPS when I have the whole party (including myself) under a balance or an arrow. Curing during either of those would give me a DPS lose. If you start to kite you are a HORRIBLE TANK!!! Kiting will never save the tank. If you cast clemency because "you" get scared that is your own fault for not trusting your healer.

Just like a new boy friends or girl friend you shouldn't assume that a new healer is as poor as your past healers and trust them until they fail your trust.

I can heal you from near 0 to full with one oGCD on WHM, and in the same time frame as 1 GCD on AST. My DPS spamming out does your one use of clemency over a DPS spell and thus it is a DPS gain for the party.

Good healers who push DPS burst heal. Your idea of DPS,cure,DPS,cure is a total DPS loss of the party.

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Originally Posted by Maku

That is not how a proper healer would do any of what you just said.
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Good healers who push DPS burst heal. Your idea of DPS,cure,DPS,cure is a total DPS loss of the party.

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Explain how:
Holy, Cure II, Holy, Cure II
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Holy, Holy, Cure II, Cure II

This is the exact same amount of healing and damage. The tanks hp just doesnt drop as far with the first option.

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If you start to kite you are a HORRIBLE TANK!!! Kiting will never save the tank. If you cast clemency because "you" get scared that is your own fault for not trusting your healer.

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Do you play tank at all? Kiting will save the party from a wipe in a pinch.
Ex: Does your tank start taking more damage during the pull, or after he stops?
Are we playing the same game?
Kiting will reduce incoming damage. It is a last resort, but can save engagements that would otherwise end in a wipe.

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Just like a new boy friends or girl friend you shouldn't assume that a new healer is as poor as your past healers and trust them until they fail your trust.

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Did you level your level 60 tank completely through fates / PoTD? I am having a serious time believing you have tanked anything... or have done any serious pulls.

Immediately trusting a PUG healer is just asking for a wipe.

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My DPS spamming out does your one use of clemency over a DPS spell and thus it is a DPS gain for the party.

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How about single target? Or what if im playing WAR?

Who the hell starts to kite because their health is 30-50%?

I had a healer try to DPS + heal me when they first did the healing nerf, it didn't go so well. First mob I died, then after that I started watching my health bar. Was slightly stressful at first, but no deaths after that point.