Pls dont nerv Shinryu Story.

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Originally Posted by Avatre

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Both Titan HM (Required for A Relic Reborn) and EX were out when ilvl 90 was the top ilvl you could reach. As a matter of fact, you could obtain a weekly ilvl 90 weapon by defeating all 3 EX primals (Garuda, Titan and Ifrit. In that order). It was really hard at that ilvl. Imagine that Titan HM was being done with ilvl 70 or less, because the Relic was basically entry-level for people attempting the Coils. The Tomestones of Mythology back then were capped at 300, not 450, making it harder to gear your jobs up. People used these tomes for their relics instead of gear, because it required items that were only available that way. So, you basically had people with ilvl 70 gear using ilvl 90 weapons throughout most of 2.0.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Well, yeah, but the original Titan HM dance was not in any way universally loved, it became a blocker for a lot of players. Referring to this fight in that manner will probably trigger a few memories for some players. Also, if your forum join date is indicative of when you started playing FFXIV, you don't know how Titan HM originally was - remembering the gear most people went in with.

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It isn't indicative and you'd just be assuming.

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Originally Posted by Avatre

I'm not sure what the gear was like when Titan HM was originally released, but when I joined World of Darkness(for non-hardcore raiders) and Coils Savage was the top end of gear, and Soldiery was the non-capped, while Poetics were the weekly capped tomes. I didn't find it hard, nor did I find the EX version particularly hard(mained DRG at the time, and would stand just between his landslides to still hit him, but dodge them). After my 5th or 6th run(of EX), I would rarely die to anything in his fight.

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i45-50 free gear from job quests, i70 from uncapped tomes and no roulettes or any tome bonuses, i90 from capped tomes. Best weapon you could get, if you hadn't cleared Titan HM, was from i70 from Garuda. People liked to run it with three healers and one tank.

Reaching out to Square Enix and asking if the final fight is going to be nerfed is a pretty dubious thing for a 'news' outlet to do. Especially when it is falsely framed as a necessity.

I hope the fight in question remains as it is. It's a lot of fun, it's not ridiculously difficult and it serves to honour the final boss of the expansion by being just difficult enough to be a satisfying fight without being as punishing as Sephirot EX.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Well, yeah, but the original Titan HM dance was not in any way universally loved, it became a blocker for a lot of players. Referring to this fight in that manner will probably trigger a few memories for some players. Also, if your forum join date is indicative of when you started playing FFXIV, you don't know how Titan HM originally was - remembering the gear most people went in with.

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Quoted for truth. My gf is still traumatized by Titan HM and won't go even with 280+ ilvl.

it is not that bad, the mechanics, if the player have complete all the MSQ, dungeon, trial (Normal/Hard), and Raid (8 and 24), then it is just repeats of those we have seen

may be it take 1-2 wipes to remember or to learn all the mechanics, but eventually it will get through it

the only really complain i have would be the green wide AOE, i have no idea it is latency or what, there are times i clearly run out of the AOE zone before it cast and still got hit

and the green AOE might seem need to use sprint to get out of it? with the new sprint it could be kinda punishing for using it at wrong timing

it is giving a bit pressure on healer but overall it is fine

what need to be done is not the difficulty but the latency fix/FPS drop

if it got nerf it is more than just the new player to blame but also the veterans who have no patience and quit after 1-2 wipes

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Originally Posted by Waliel

i45-50 free gear from job quests, i70 from uncapped tomes and no roulettes or any tome bonuses, i90 from capped tomes. Best weapon you could get, if you hadn't cleared Titan HM, was from i70 from Garuda. People liked to run it with three healers and one tank.

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back in those day most of us just wearing darklight sets get wipe and wipe and finally

learn the fight and clear it, i remember everyone still trying the best even 3 wipes

but now most of the time in trial EX/raid 1 wipe, and half the team are gone

even Shinryu i have seen people quit just after 2 wipes

Other than maybe the Echo bonus, I see no reason to nerf this. It only took 2 tries after I asked a couple FC mates to queue with me. Was close as I was last dps alive blasting it at 1% and we were almost dead. But with practice, it should not be too tough. I just suggest to people, practice avoiding the mechanics on phase 3. I kept focusing on my casting and watching my bar and missed a couple mechanics (The 2nd tidal wave was tough). Just practice people, and not assume you will get the first day you get the quest.

I'll take a stance that won't be popular on the forums, but I believe represents a lot of your casual base (who don't even know forums exist - remember, if you are here, you are already more invested than most of the population).

It needs an adjustment.

It's simply too punishing to be part of MSQ. Please, keep the "hard" content to optional content (ex, savage, etc.) My father in law is well into his 60's and, when he gets here, will really struggle with this. One of my sons who plays probablyk 2-3 hours a week will too once he gets here.

Please keep the casual in mind.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

Not anymore punishing then normal dungeons, and it can't be classifed as hard because it's a joke,

This leads me to realize that the people who want this nerf aren't even casual, they are just really bad players who have terrible awarness.

If not then what are you going to do after you win the fight? you certainly aren't ready for anything endgame, ex fights or savage, if you can't handle shinryu then anything after that you're no match for.

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Apart from the borderline rudeness of your post, you completely contradicted your own point. Of course people who find shiryu difficult are not ready for EX or Savage content. As the poster you replied to pointed out Shinryu isn't optional it's part of the main story quest. It should not even be comparable in difficulty to the optional content.

Calling people bad might inflate your ego, but it's rude and insulting, and if that is who you are, that is who you are. Casual players represent the vast majority of the players in this game, and the MSQ is core content to them. Much like it was with Titan Hard Mode, this fight could be considered too punishing for players who are here to play for fun, not to play optimally to win a place in a raid static . I really hope this message gets through to people, raiders and min/maxers are not the only players of this game, nor are you the majority of players. The MSQ and associated side content is for the majority of the playerbase. EX and Savage content is specifically designed for you. If people find Shinryu hard, they find it hard. take comfort from the fact that you are apparently better at the game than others, there's no need to insult people who either do not play as much as you or at the same level as you aspire to.