SE, We need to talk about Leatherworker ...

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Originally Posted by QT_Melon

I've found the leves and crafting much more acceptable than HW's and people still complain.

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Maybe because there's no real reason why a specific DotH class should have a lower item production per hour than any other because of the way ressources are gathered. Especially when ressources are limited in regards to the number of people who can farm them.

And it's not because you didn't need some HQ mats that it's the case for everyone.

Get off your high horse.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

Maybe because there's no real reason why a specific DotH class should have a lower item production per hour than any other because of the way ressources are gathered. Especially when ressources are limited in regards to the number of people who can farm them.

And it's not because you didn't need some HQ mats that it's the case for everyone.

Get off your high horse.

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What high horse? Have you read the guides out there? You don't to be super melded this time to level up. Even better certain rotations don't really need HQ mats.

Maybe instead of being rude and snide you would spend the time looking at those guides and realizing I am right. You can now meld most gear without needing carbonized matter and using collectibles will net you materia fast.

This is a far easier grind than the HW ones and a majority of the turn in are reasonable.

Also I don't get why "there's no real reason" There is a very good reason, go back and read the thread.

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Originally Posted by magnanimousCynic

Mind sharing your routes/spots for mob farming? I may try some good old mob grinding out of pure desperation for Gagana and Tiger skins to level up my poor LTW.

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Halgai are all clustered around the north side of The Dawn Throne. Easy to find.
Manzasiri are on the far western edge of Azim. Same deal.
Baras just north of the manzas drop much better than the Yanxia tigers.
For gags, I just ran around Fringes killing lessers. Faster kills than the higher level ones, and there are more of them.

You definitely don't need to rely on retainers for farming raw LTW and WVR materials (although they help).
Good hunting!

Edit: I just did 77 gazelle skins in an hour, which isn't too bad. No drop rate buff is required.

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Originally Posted by ChloeGrace

Halgai are all clustered around the north side of The Dawn Throne. Easy to find.
Manzasiri are on the far western edge of Azim. Same deal.
Baras just north of the manzas drop much better than the Yanxia tigers.
For gags, I just ran around Fringes killing lessers. Faster kills than the higher level ones, and there are more of them.

You definitely don't need to rely on retainers for farming raw LTW and WVR materials (although they help).
Good hunting!

Edit: I just did 77 gazelle skins in an hour, which isn't too bad. No drop rate buff is required.

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This is good to hear. They definitely buffed the drop rate, if that's how many you are getting.

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Originally Posted by QT_Melon

What high horse? Have you read the guides out there? You don't to be super melded this time to level up. Even better certain rotations don't really need HQ mats.

Maybe instead of being rude and snide you would spend the time looking at those guides and realizing I am right. You can now meld most gear without needing carbonized matter and using collectibles will net you materia fast.

This is a far easier grind than the HW ones and a majority of the turn in are reasonable.

Also I don't get why "there's no real reason" There is a very good reason, go back and read the thread.

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"It's easier than HW" is not an argument to say that it's good. It you put some whipped cream on dog poop and eat it, sure it's better than normal dog poop, but at the end of the day you're still eating dog poop.
At most, you can say that it's a step in the right direction. But stopping there and calling it good enough is... stupid.

So, again, there's no valid reason why this particular DotH class has a harder time dealing with materials than any other.
The only thing that would justify it is that you don't need a DotL class. But you still need a DoW, and you are extremely dependant on the current gear iLv of combat jobs, and have to fight other players for farm routes. And DoW jobs have no control over HQ, yield and all the things that make DotL good. These disadvantages by far outbalance the unnecessity of a DotL. Heck, you still need some stuff from DotL anyway to make your leather. So even that argument doesn't hold. At least the DotL materials are cheap and you often only need one, but yeah...

And for the high horse thing, you really sounded like "I did it, it was easy, y'all suck, stop complaining". Hence my comment.

It is easy. Meanwhile while you spend your time complaining I have seen people fairly new to crafting get to 70. Guess it is too hard. *shrugs*

They made crafting and gathering work together as well as adventures still needing to make money able to get items.

The drop rates are fine. The only concern I have was the mane and hair, but other than that everything else felt fine.

Anyone can get level 70 crafter if they just buy leve kits >.>

I blew through all my leves leveling the gatherers. HOWEVER, most of the mob drops can be desynth'd from Kugane items if you have LTW desynth, I got Goldsmith to 70 in one day by buying a bunch of the accessories and desynthing them to get HQ ingots (which at the time we're completely RNG this was like...day 2 of early access), if you're willing to invest in it, could be worth it.

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Originally Posted by magnanimousCynic

Anyone can get level 70 crafter if they just buy leve kits >.>

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They won't get all the skills though of they don't know how to craft. They made the Stormblood job quests where you have to craft the item (in the Class Quest recipe) and turn it in.

With that said. I was using Mango7 Rolls guide on leves and used a guide for the CP indebted

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...w_cp_crafters/

None of these stats are hard to get to and friends that were lower geared than me surpassed me in getting their crafters. They used the time instead of spamming Raubahn Ex to get mats for future crafts.

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Originally Posted by Eskuire

I blew through all my leves leveling the gatherers. HOWEVER, most of the mob drops can be desynth'd from Kugane items if you have LTW desynth, I got Goldsmith to 70 in one day by buying a bunch of the accessories and desynthing them to get HQ ingots (which at the time we're completely RNG this was like...day 2 of early access), if you're willing to invest in it, could be worth it.

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This! I have gotten almost all the leather and dawn serge i need through desynth, it was very fast to level up to max and i already have ltw desynth at 320. Its really easy to level up even from scratch if you start now, but it wont be too profitable/money saver now. In the beginning of Stormblood Gazelle Leather was 250k on my server and you could by gazelleskin belt of gathering for 16k at a vendor which yielded about 30-35 leathers per 50 belt in my experience. Just start desynthing if you dont have them leveled!