The Problem of Hunts and early pulling in 4.0

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Originally Posted by Zakuro_Shishio

Hello,

There is and has been a problem of Hunts and people deliberatly pulling hunts early. This has been an issue in the past and is now more apparent than ever since ARR hunts die in a flash. There is a specific FC in our server particularly that is actively hunting them down, not relaying them anywhere and killing them early. This is effectively turning down alot of players even trying to do hunts and overall kill the experience of alot of the players on our server. I would like it that all the hunts get upscaled to lvl 70 or have a invulnerability state on hunts for about a minute at the fight start. This would kill alot of the toxicity against early pulls.

Has anyone else faced these problems?

Greetings from Siren.

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The only source of Toxicity are the People crying about early pulls

No such thing as a early pull for hunts. They are first come first serve, no one needs to wait for the whole server to show up. If there are enough present to kill it no need to wait.

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Originally Posted by Avatre

*Fails to see where I complained that I missed a hunt..."*

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I didn't fail to see anything... your statement comes off condescending, like you're stating that there's another way but that it is not as efficient/viable. Well of course it isn't, the weekly/daily marks are there to accelerate the acquisition, not replace it entirely. If you didn't mean it that way, you would've been better served saying nothing, as that is really what you added to the conversation if that were the case.

Also, "you" in my statement didn't really mean just you and only you... it is referring to anyone who wants to whine/complain about hunts because people didn't hold every single mark until the entire server got there.

This again. There is no such thing as an "early pull".

I see an S Rank, I shout it linkshell and all. For the next 10 minutes, players are flocking to the pos and partying up. "Pulling in 30" I say. Right then you teleport to the area by coincidence and see players are shouting "pls inv for S Rank" etc. You start asking for an invite now as well. 30 seconds later the hunt gets zerg'd and dies. You rage.

*Proceeds to log onto the forums and vent about "early pulls"*

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Originally Posted by kupokage

This again. There is no such thing as an "early pull".

I see an S Rank, I shout it linkshell and all. For the next 10 minutes, players are flocking to the pos and partying up. "Pulling in 30" I say. Right then you teleport to the area by coincidence and see players are shouting "pls inv for S Rank" etc. You start asking for an invite now as well. 30 seconds later the hunt gets zerg'd and dies. You rage.

*Proceeds to log onto the forums and vent about "early pulls"*

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Originally Posted by Domeric

[3:14 p.m.][4]<Redacted A> A rank Mor Dhona ( 25.1 , 12.2 )
[3:14 p.m.]You have entered a sanctuary.
[3:14 p.m.]Kano Michio: Invite, kohai.
[3:15 p.m.]You have left the sanctuary.
[3:15 p.m.]Redacted B: Dead.

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Originally Posted by Domeric

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If they had enough people why did they shout. If it had died and no one knew it wouldn't even bother them. If ice cream is free at the grocery store and I don't know, I don't get mad. Not thta I would get mad that someone took all the ice cream because it was free. A little sad I didn't get any. The world needs more freezer break downs and more free ice cream.

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Originally Posted by Domeric

Holy crap, I wondered how people kept accurate track of respawn timers.

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I don't know if all servers use it, but here on Excalibur we use Ariyala's to keep accurate track of respawn timers. In case you didn't know, that's an independent website, not a third party tool.

The fact is, every pull is early until you arrive, and then the pull is late. Realistically, the only pull that can possibly be early is one that occurs when there aren't enough people present to kill the mob, resulting in an emergency reset and/or wipe. Applying these standards in the case of ARR S ranks, they're soloable, so it's never an early pull. Some HW S ranks are soloable as well with the rest being easily duoed. Be happy you get a callout and that there are people out there spending their time to push triggers while you craft/gather/xp/run around in circles in Rhalgr's Reach. (note by "you" I'm not specifically calling anyone out here)

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Originally Posted by Thandronen

I didn't fail to see anything... your statement comes off condescending, like you're stating that there's another way but that it is not as efficient/viable. Well of course it isn't, the weekly/daily marks are there to accelerate the acquisition, not replace it entirely. If you didn't mean it that way, you would've been better served saying nothing, as that is really what you added to the conversation if that were the case.

Also, "you" in my statement didn't really mean just you and only you... it is referring to anyone who wants to whine/complain about hunts because people didn't hold every single mark until the entire server got there.

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Did you even notice the word HELP in the first sentence? As in you see the shout/LS announcement for the hunt, you try getting there, but oh look, someone pulled it and it's already dead. Guess those hunt bills will help you until you are able to get to the next one. But I'll leave you to believe what you wish to believe, because well, free world/freedom of speech/can't control others thoughts or actions/whatever you decide to feel.

Complaining about "early pull" should really be made an actionable offense. Maybe then, these people would get it into their heads that it isn't a thing.

there isn't something like "early pull", only "appearing too late"

early pull would be if the A rank or the S rank kill all the players because there were not enough to kill it.
Maybe if SE increase the attacks of all hunt enemies multiple by 10, then we can discuss about "early pulls".