For stormblood do you want the gated conten path of hw, or the free roam path of arr?

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Originally Posted by Amirya

Then take your time as a gatherer. .

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You are missing my point I said I could see that if there was like this amazing content on the other side of completing the story but there isnt one. I should be able to get my gear for my sixty character now because it has nothing to do with the story at all but I cant because Im story locked. The game makes leveling easy as pie, so if you are of level why do you have to do the story to do stuff that isnt even tied to the story. My example was in arr I did quest for my jobs that put me in the imperial base but I was no where near that part in the story did that mess up the lore no it didnt, do other players no what point of the story Im at no they dont so what does it matter.

I love the story I dont want to have to finish all of the story to do things that I dont love like getting gear, and stuff that is boring without having any story left o. I was simply saying that I thought that the way Arr was set up was better than how gated hw was set up. Hw is gated from the very start its like they took a step back and said lets make things less accessible than we did in the original game all I was saying is give the same option to free roam in like you can in arr in the next expansion instead of how its set up in hw and let people get around to the story when they see fit instead of a straight path only.

And the explanation for being in said areas would be you are an adventurer that's what you do explore you dont have to have some specific meaning to it. And to speak of lore there is no logical reason how a whm can be a ninja , or how a blm can be a warrior with an ax but yet everyone levels all jobs on one. The game does a horrible job at explaining this outside of that your an adventurer so why cant that be reason enough to have access to any area in the game.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

And the explanation for being in said areas would be you are an adventurer that's what you do explore you dont have to have some specific meaning to it. And to speak of lore there is no logical reason how a whm can be a ninja , or how a blm can be a warrior with an ax but yet everyone levels all jobs on one. The game does a horrible job at explaining this outside of that your an adventurer so why cant that be reason enough to have access to any area in the game.

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I don't see why being capable at multiple skills is an issue. Especially given that the player character is the obviously 'gifted' Warrior of Light, a special case, an adventurers adventurer, in possession of the Echo, and able to kill Primals. Mastering multiple arts seems like a minor milestone compared to killing Primals.

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Originally Posted by Ragology

Gated content helped keep the rmt from flooding the heavensward areas.

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This! Right now the only place I can avoid rmt party invite spam is by going in to a HW area. When I go to any of the 1.0 towns/areas its /say spam rmt adverts and party invite spam so I immediately have to go on /busy or set up a party with my choco.

Also the thing is with one or the other: If the system depends on dungeons/instances for leveling, they tend to not create content that will draw players away from dungeons and they consistently need to keep creating content that will encourage end gamers to repeat the dungeons so that newer players can still use them to exp. No sure its possible to do open world/free roam while simultaneously having an exp system that is dependent on instanced content.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

I don't see why being capable at multiple skills is an issue. Especially given that the player character is the obviously 'gifted' Warrior of Light, a special case, an adventurers adventurer, in possession of the Echo, and able to kill Primals. Mastering multiple arts seems like a minor milestone compared to killing Primals.

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But their abilities dont really branch off of each other enough for me to actually do all 13 on one , and most other games you just do one class per character but I like this option for the player base I just chose to go against the grain having 4 characters in total. I come from swtor , and to me how the system is , is like a jedi being able to be a trooper or a smuggler, and a secret agent at the same time doesn't make sense to me.

And in this game it would make sense to me if npcs actually mention how great your power was that you could master all of these skills, but they don't just call you the warrior of light and call it a day. If you are a whm they refer to you as a whm, if you are palidan they refer to you as a palidan , they dont even bring up what sub classes you have to level to even get your job you have to find that out from other players or google. So they really didnt do a good job lore wise at all on this, and the play styles are so different with hardly any cross over aside from buffs or something like that , that the jobs are 100 percent different , the only way it makes sense is if you over look this or if you just make up your own rp.

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Originally Posted by Aramina

I didn't find either the base game or HW to be more or less restrictive than the other.

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Which ARR zones were locked behind having to complete one zone before even being able to enter the next? I can remember Isles of Umbra, that's all.

ARR was free-form exploration, HW was rail-tracked exploration of the type I personally loathe.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

But their abilities dont really branch off of each other enough for me to actually do all 13 on one , and most other games you just do one class per character but I like this option for the player base I just chose to go against the grain having 4 characters in total. I come from swtor , and to me how the system is , is like a jedi being able to be a trooper or a smuggler, and a secret agent at the same time doesn't make sense to me.

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That's because this isn't SWOTR...also, correct me if I am wrong, but Luke, a Jedi master, also happens to be an excellent star fighter pilot, and well versed in ground combat also.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

And in this game it would make sense to me if npcs actually mention how great your power was that you could master all of these skills, but they don't just call you the warrior of light and call it a day. If you are a whm they refer to you as a whm, if you are palidan they refer to you as a palidan , they dont even bring up what sub classes you have to level to even get your job you have to find that out from other players or google. So they really didnt do a good job lore wise at all on this, and the play styles are so different with hardly any cross over aside from buffs or something like that , that the jobs are 100 percent different , the only way it makes sense is if you over look this or if you just make up your own rp.

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Well, I don't know It's been a while since I did many of the class and job quests, but it always seemed to me that we were considered a protege of unusually high ability. It would be hard to add branching dialog for all of these quests to adequately accommodate the many combinations of jobs/classes a player might have, so the text is written to avoid referencing that directly. I think you're looking for a problem that doesn't exist here.

Its always been gated in FFXI.
You couldn't go to hall of gods and pass the gate without beating the pot and getting the key item to go through the gate.

You couldn't get your level unless you beat maat in a 1 on 1 duel.

FFXIV is the same way, you cannot unlock extreme fights unless you beat some first.
You can't just go passed all the coils without winning them first.

Its gated all around and the expansions are no different.

People who ask for a free pass are the ones who would probably buy those boost potions, I say if that's the case why play the game? you pass all content its the same as gameshark cheaters, buy game cheat on the game and claim you won legit.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

Its always been gated in FFXI.
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I dont think you read what I actually said I didn't say stream line msq content or dungeons for people that arent in that place in the game. Im not asking to do extreme primal s I haven't done in the story yet. Im simply sayin just like in arr when I was level 44 I could do dd, when I was level 38 I could do cutters cry because the areas wernt gated behind a flying current like stuff in hw is.

Im over leveled I have a level 60 and I havent done much hw , all Im sayin is let me do my job quest like I did in arr, let me do the 8 dungeons that are optional and do the story when I wana do the story. It wasn't a problem in arr so why would it be a problem in future expansions. Let people get their gear without having to finish the story if they are level 60 already, how is that wanting to get a free pass if anything thats doing extra because u got to sixty before doing any dungeons above level 50. Im simply saying is I would rather save story than blow through it to get to an endgame thats boring and repetitive when I can do some of the same dungeons as everyone else that are optional without having to finish the story itself. You get nothing for finishing the story but an endgame that everyone complains about so why would I wana be forced to blow through it.

the only things that should not be restricted are the jobs/classes.

You are not being forced to do it. You choose to feel that way.

Why should the npcs take you at more than face value? What on earth could possibly make them wonder, "I see you wear the robes of a healer... I BET YOU'RE A MASTER MONK TOO!!!!"