Why samurai is much more possible as a dps than you think

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

I hope you know that your very skewed vision of Samurai isn't very applicable. As you know, Samurai are soldiers. They were also used in war situations (this happened IRL and with games). A samurai (or knight) is not going to let their friends die on the battlefield because they're afraid of killing an enemy soldier from behind. They're not afraid of the code by attacking the enemy from behind on the battlefield. Watching an ally struggle and die because you chose not to kill your enemy that is about to kill your friend, since you'd be striking them down from the back, isn't exactly a great view of samurai with both fiction and reality. The battlefield is not the same as a duel. Honor has little meaning there.

If Samurai (the job) wouldn't make sense as DPS because of the fact DPS mainly attack from behind is what makes it illogical, then how does it make sense to even allow Samurai to attack from behind at all? Doesn't the fact that we would be able to do that contradict the very core of your argument? Say if the SAM was OT for a raid with no adds at the time. Chances are, the SAM would be attacking from behind lol. As I mentioned with the battlefield comment, what exactly do you think raid situations or dungeons are? I don't think anyone who plays this game could call them honorable duels.

Not saying that SAM can't be tank, I'd welcome either roles with open arms... hell, even it as a healer if they could lol. I'm just attacking your argument on justifying it being only possible as a tank and not a DPS, even by fictional and IRL standards.

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Realistically speaking, the Bushido code was taken about as seriously by the samurai as the concept of chivalry was by European knights. As in, sacrosanct so much as it stood to benefit them, but mostly ignored the moment it was a hindrance.

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Originally Posted by Kiteless

Realistically speaking, the Bushido code was taken about as seriously by the samurai as the concept of chivalry was by European knights. As in, sacrosanct so much as it stood to benefit them, but mostly ignored the moment it was a hindrance.

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Yeah, that is definitely the realistic approach to it for both fantasy and reality. That's exactly why the argument about samurai never attacking from behind just isn't plausible, especially when you consider this is a video game lol. The guy was also asking for any examples of such attacks, even in fiction, and well... look no further than For Honor.

http://imgur.com/a/7NhKH

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Originally Posted by MyaValentine

honestly the idea of blue mage tank really exited me and I was hoping for a more magic base tank, but I guess another sword it is.

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you and me both, i think blu would make a better tank than rdm any day, esp for lore sake and how easilly it could be fit in to this game, despite breaking some of the tradition

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Originally Posted by ADVSS

you and me both, i think blu would make a better tank than rdm any day, esp for lore sake and how easilly it could be fit in to this game, despite breaking some of the tradition

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To me, it always comes down to how a story treats the job/class. Looking at XI as an example, BLU was regarded as "Immortals", a group of elite guard directly serving royalty (Empress in XI's case). Assassins, scouts, and a one-man army, all rolled into a single BLU Immortal. Easy to see them as both tank and DPS. If the story were to just make them more like some generic powerful mage that kills people, it'd probably just be seen as DPS lol.

So yeah, like I said, for me it just comes down to how the specific game treats the story pertaining to them.

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

To me, it always comes down to how a story treats the job/class. If the story were to just make them more like some generic powerful mage that kills people, it'd probably just be seen as DPS lol.

So yeah, like I said, for me it just comes down to how the specific game treats the story pertaining to them.

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i cant speak for 11, but the jobs full identity is to survive an enemies awesome attack, and learn it by taking that hit and not dying, so to me it would fit more as a tank. a magical dps tank, or some such. As for 11 and their place ill take it definately,
i also watched merri's speculation which sort of tied raubahn to 11s rauhbahn in ways not even mentioned, i mean look at the grand melee he is totally using ifrit/ultima weapon plumes on us. The skills for blu may be short in 14 but theyd definately be sweet imo

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Originally Posted by ADVSS

i cant speak for 11, but the jobs full identity is to survive an enemies awesome attack, and learn it by taking that hit and not dying, so to me it would fit more as a tank. a magical dps tank, or some such. As for 11 and their place ill take it definately,
i also watched merri's speculation which sort of tied raubahn to 11s rauhbahn in ways not even mentioned, i mean look at the grand melee he is totally using ifrit/ultima weapon plumes on us. The skills for blu may be short in 14 but theyd definately be sweet imo

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THIS

This is what I keep telling people! BLU would be a great tank!

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Originally Posted by Alacran

How about a game? lets try to find nice iconic pictures of sword depictions in battle. Cinematic, animated, fan art, ect... whatever you feel best encapsulates the the iconography of a sword and those who use them.

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Sure.

https://lifevsfilm.files.wordpress.c...-kurosawa2.jpg

Didn't expect this thread to blow up

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Originally Posted by Norleas

Didn't expect this thread to blow up

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Oh please, I saw you around on the forum for long enough to not expect this topic to not blow up.

On topic, I think it's 50-50 that is can be either tank or dps. Personally hoping it would be a 2H katana DPS though.

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Originally Posted by SokiYagami

Oh please, I saw you around on the forum for long enough to not expect this topic to not blow up.

On topic, I think it's 50-50 that is can be either tank or dps. Personally hoping it would be a 2H katana DPS though.

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Yeah... This particular type of threads always get a lot of heat, it's hard to believe they think it wouldn't blow up.

I agree though, SAM's role is a VERY 50/50 thing right now, some people see that, some people don't, we'll know for sure in a few months time (Hopefully)