Dev Team, show me you care about your players because I just don't see it (long read)

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Originally Posted by Zeroeffect

I might have missed what he was saying but I don't believe he is or was asking for a hand out anywhere.

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Originally Posted by Neptune

I have no idea what that dude is talking about. Just the dude being the dude.

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Originally Posted by Neptune

How about, if your Sentinel class is wiped, a free Gladiator class to make up for it. How about if your class is wiped or changed extensively, we will make up for it by giving you a choice that's meaningful.

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You have no Idea, eh? This isnt your first topic Neptune. I'm sure it will not be the last.

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Originally Posted by Neptune

I'm not surprised in the slightest, but I think several of you think of the dev team as an incredible chef that lives in your house and cooks you exotic meals every day, of which you eat with no questions asked. To me the dev team is more like a talented group of artists that I support, but in return I require an experience that is enjoyable, and in the case of an online game, I expect for my progress not to be taken away.

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I think your missing the point that this is SE's game not yours and that they will do what ever it is they want to do with this game simple as that.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

I hope this gets locked ASAP. This is obnoxious and most everything the dev team has been doing since the team reshuffle has been done with plans for the longterm and the players in mind.

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Why should this get locked?
I think OP has a valid point.

I also feel that lots of the things we have done in the past up until now AND until end of next year will be in vain.

I don't personally mind that CON is going to be a healer as I was going to level both casters anyway, but I can see why it would get to someone else.
I also find it slightly annoying that I can't be the DD THM now with my shield... why did I lvl my THM with a crappy wand when I could have played with a staff?

Buuuut anyhow, I am pretty sure that this "adjustment" won't be the only one we see and we will do lots of things up until end of next year that will be wiped off and forgotten... and we will all feel a bit screwed over but then we move on.

That loyalty mode post wasn't a joke???

Way to complain about something we dont fully know the details for, the epidemic seems to be spreading. GJ

I think the OP has some valid points here, and instead of trying to say "GTFO or shut-up" over this it'd be wiser to try seeing it from both perspectives. Yes, changes are coming and much of them are for the better. Does the Dev Team know what they're doing? Without a doubt. However along the path here many of the people who have supported this game from launch and continue to support it are feeling left out. I for one got the Collector's edition at the start. Personally some changes I didn't like, I found annoying even, but I adjusted over time. Others I saw them and just went "Wow, this is ten times better than I thought it would be like!" and was pleased. However the game I knew from the start, and what we have now, are vastly different. Not every feature they had in the past was awful, it needed tweaking which is what they're doing.

Yet some of the newer changes (class revamps for example) are causes for concern. With each change they do, drastic or not it's yet another thing we have to adjust to, and if it doesn't work, they go back and redo it, again. Many of us did put in time and effort into specific parts of the game, and seeing all that being for waste is like a kick in the groin.

When you started a specific class back at launch you started it because it was the ideal class you wanted, what you intended to play as. Months later down the road, a year in fact, you're told that class is going to be revamped thus adversely affecting your play style. Maybe you played Archer to be a hard-hitter DD (Please don't get into debates about it being OP'd, we know it was and needed to be nerfed.) and then learn you're going to be likely facing a supportive role. You began leveling Conjurer because you expected to play like a Black Mage, now you're being told you need to level an entirely different class because you want to play it. Sure you can level that class, but you've still spent all that time now playing a class you don't want. Same could be said for those who tweaked their gear and equipment just a certain way to be efficient, now they have to gather all new gear, readjust it all, and if they class has gone in a different direction than they expected... They now have to find a new class they actually want to play as and gear that one up all over again. This is the view I'm trying to explain here.

Is it fair that these changes are being forced upon the minority? No, but they're going to happen one way or another. All we can do is learn to adapt to them and have faith that maybe it won't be as bad as we thought. However instead of being rude and nasty about it or just downright hostile, try to understand it from another point of view.

TLDR version: It's not entirely fair to the people who came from the start, but they'll have to adjust. Don't be a douche by ragging on them for it, try to instead understand where they're coming from. KTHXBAI

EDIT: Something I forgot to add, it could be just my perspective... Yet many of these "changes" that have been suggested from the community seem to almost base that they want this game to be another clone of <insert favorite game here> instead of something unique. The armoury system is something quite unique in fact to FFXIV, including the freedom to customize a class as you see fit. Slowly the game is losing some of the traits that made it truly unique.

Still, like I said... We won't entirely know until the final step towards 2.0 if the game will indeed be something unique amongst the MMO's of today, or just another clone trying to be like everyone else out there...

Neptune is the biggest Troll who is not a troll? does that even make sense? In the time you spent on this thread you could probably take a class from 1-50. 40-50 is a 3 hour push on some wolves. 1-40 goes very fast especially if you make a few good parties and find the right beastmen camps OR find a willing PL for a couple hours at a time over a few days.

Also i'm pretty certain right now with shield skills and the way its been revamped a CON with a shield makes almost no difference to survivability vs the CON w/o a shield. I know things were different before 1.19 but times a changing and gotta adapt or fall behind.

Specifically thinking of how I held 3 skelly on CON for the last phase of Batraal, by abusing sentinel and deflection/aegis boonII

One big HUGE change to the way the mage class is different is how we dont' have to engage to cast which takes away the use of a shield since (correct me if I'm wrong) but shield only procs when engaged. And if you engage you prevent yourself from recovering MP through resting.

@ OP: Cause you spent all that time lvling Sentinel by itself? Cause you chose the wrong job to begin with, the obvious White Mage class (the only one with 'Cure'). This has nothing to do with the dev team or the direction of the game. Shield skills aren't meant for mage classes. All it comes down to is the wrong decisions you made, you can only blame yourself.

CNJ really shouldn't use a Shield to begin with... looks so weird >.>

The game was dead before it had even hit the shelves, it needed an overhaul. It's getting an overhaul. Devs + Yoshi are doing a great job so far at trying to make XIV a game that I can tell people I play without getting sad looks (yes, it's happened...). If you're really upset about the CNJ/THM thing, you now have a year to level up a class that you should have had capped in the first place, and now you can get it to cap in less than a week!

Really, they can't appease everybody, so they're trying to do the best they can by making the majority happy. Check yourself before you wreck yourself, bro ;o