How would I explain this games never changing formula?

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Originally Posted by Elky

I am not a Square Enix Employee mam, they won't pay me to come up with ideas for them.

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Originally Posted by Elky

I'm not working for SE. I am the customer, they are the business, do you go to Mc Donald's with amazing ideas for their crappy burgers?

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I'm almost pretty sure...

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Originally Posted by Schark

"Mario still jumps. Sonic stills runs. Zelda has to save the princess. This game is bad because it's this game."

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Ah! Trigger warning... Zelda is the princess

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Originally Posted by Elky

Monotony. Thats it. Same thing patch after patch. I haven't done city of mhach, or any tomes, or logged on in weeks. Its just the same thing since I've hit level 50. Try to get my ilvl as artificially high as possible. The gear isn't interesting, the items aren't interesting. Nothing interesting ever drops in the overworld. Its just me waiting in duty finder and eventually logging off when my EX roulette que takes 15minutes...

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I understand, I got to the same point where I was just logging in and out just as quickly. I stopped trying to get my tomes maxed for the week. In general it is the same thing, just a bit different. I think you may find yourself leaving for a period of time just like I did. Though it may do some good!

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Originally Posted by CookieMonsta

Lolololol I was waiting to see when this advice would come up. Taking a break, jeezus its like you guys don't even want players to stay. People are complaining for a reason, telling them to go away isn't gonna help.

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That is the best advice though, at least for right now. All you can do is voice your opinion. If they choose not to change then this isn't the world you should be in and might want to go find something new. It's not that people want us to leave when we get to this point, but it's clear that someone isn't having fun, best thing to do for most cases is to walk away. No one wants to be around someone that is constantly sighing or gets into a run and instantly complains. If it isn't fun for you, for most things, why keep going with it? I took a long break and came back, I'm more relaxed but I found things about the game I missed..mostly, for me, the beauty and lore. I still go into the low level dungeons and take in all the gorgeous scenery.

I came back to the forums to ask a question, but I can't log in because of the 14+ day inactive rule. So I logged into my account, took up the upgrades and when I got to the character selection. I realized how much I adore my Roe. Next thing I know I'm logging in walking around..going back to Girdania, which I thought I'd never do after being there for so...long..in 1.0, alpha, beta..i stayed away for a long time. Then just fell back in.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Changing the layout of dungeons past the "3 groups of mobs and a boss, repeat three times" shouldn't be rocket science. and if this is the content they want us to run 90 times before the next patch, perhaps adding some changing elements to it wouldn't kill the game.

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You are right, if they expect us to run things so many times making it a bit more spiced up would be great. I wouldn't say it is rocket science, but like someone said earlier a lot of things to change in the game are risky. Also talking about resources to fulfill these requests. You may have a wonderful idea, but someone upstairs will see it and put it out of the realm of good ideas into a business, money aspect. You could argue "well if it I changes, more people would stay & come in, that means more money." That might be true, if it works. There's statistics and a whole world of business technologies and analysis that take good ideas but show low sales. Then there is prioritizing, what's important to you isn't to some. In the end we are paying to play in their world and give them suggestions, rather than demands.

I'm not saying you're..in fact I'm all for dungeons to have things like EX- mechanics, different routes, less trash more mini bosses and more environmental reactions to things...say enter in with a constant poison, beat a boss and it seals it up. That might not be the best example, but I do encourage things like horizontal progression for a bit and combat, unique gear etc... I just see the back end of it and don't know if it is possible.

Yes yes take a break and come back and see nothing has changed. More tokens. More tomestones. May as well tell people to unsubscribe if they don't like the game's infrastructure at that point. I mean if the only meaningful thing is the MSQ's then may as well only subscribe for every expansion at launch and then unsub once that's over and come back later.

Elky actually posted some great suggestions in a separate thread. Go check it out and support it. They are mostly minor additions or changes, nothing that actually changes the whole game "formular". Reading this thread I was also thinking "aww man, just a complaint without an idea for change", but kudos to Elky, he delivered.

inb4 have you leveled all jobs to 60, including DoL and DoH? Have you gotten all Relics? Have you completed your fishing log.....

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Originally Posted by Schark

Considering the amount of new people I see in game, asking questions here and on reddit, and the forum whiners threatening to leave but never do, I'd say the player base is growing nicely.

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2 Eorzea Free Login Campaigns in a short period of time tell me otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Remus

I don't. I rarely see them. Also you can't say they are joining because that could purely be them doing a trial to see how it is.

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Then maybe open your eyes, Behemoth, despite being character creation limited most of the time, has a lot of sprouts running around every single day.

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Originally Posted by Elky

I'm not working for SE. I am the customer, they are the business, do you go to Mc Donald's with amazing ideas for their crappy burgers? I pay, I enjoy paying when I'm having fun. My subscription is still ticking down and I can't be bothered to log on.

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And? At the end of the day, a burger is a burger is a burger. Doesn't matter if it's beef, lamb, goat, kangaroo, buffalo, chicken, turkey or Dodo, it's still a burger. It doesn't matter if it's American, cheddar, Swiss, mozzarella, Colby or Blue cheese, a burger is still a burger.

Your complaint amounts to saying "this burger is still a burger, I wanted something new, and all you gave me was a different burger."

Well, yes, but you're are in a burger joint, so burgers are pretty much the Menu, if you don't like burgers any more, there is a taco stand just down the street.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Your complaint amounts to saying "this burger is still a burger, I wanted something new, and all you gave me was a different burger."
Well, yes, but you're are in a burger joint, so burgers are pretty much the Menu, if you don't like burgers any more, there is a taco stand just down the street.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

And? At the end of the day, a burger is a burger is a burger. Doesn't matter if it's beef, lamb, goat, kangaroo, buffalo, chicken, turkey or Dodo, it's still a burger. It doesn't matter if it's American, cheddar, Swiss, mozzarella, Colby or Blue cheese, a burger is still a burger.

Your complaint amounts to saying "this burger is still a burger, I wanted something new, and all you gave me was a different burger."

Well, yes, but you're are in a burger joint, so burgers are pretty much the Menu, if you don't like burgers any more, there is a taco stand just down the street.

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Not to detract from the point but here at least burger places (both large chains and small businesses) no longer just carry burgers on the menu offering things like hotdogs, nacho's, salads, and various other fast food products due to trying to boost business with a broader appeal than a new sauce or an extra patty.