Question to healers

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

I think you meant SCH, not SMN? That said, I have all 3 healers at 60 and DPS with all 3 healers (the least with AST, as I am the least comfortable with that one). WHM has a very strong DPS toolkit.

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I was talking about your fairy not dpsing.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

I was talking about your fairy not dpsing.

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When were you talking about my fairy not DPSing? I am confused :\

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

When were you talking about my fairy not DPSing? I am confused :\

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Sch have fairies to help heal while they dpsing.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

I play whm but I see people coming in with replies "but I do this as sch" obviously you have a slightly different toolset.

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Yeah, WHM has a massive AoE stun that SCH doesn't have. That in and of itself opens up huge DPS windows.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

Sch have fairies to help heal while they dpsing.

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Oh I see, I don't think you actually said that though ;) That aside, I mentioned that I heal and DPS on WHM - > WHM has very strong DPS capabilities and HoTs/Stuns to help them DPS longer.

From what I get from these thread from start (of other threads also) to current is people complained that healers didn't dps they were lazy if they didn't dps so I do see less people against it and more healers dpsing but it just seems now that people still want them to pump out even more dps cause what they doing it not good enough. I may be wrong and just viewing it differently.

The way I view it is that you are all a team and have a goal, your primary role is to heal but you are given DPS capabilities. A DPS's primary role is to DPS but is given support capabilities etc. Everyone should do what they can to complete their goal as effectively as possible. If your goal is to kill a boss, DPSing the boss helps - so do it.

The only reason players view healers who don't DPS as lazy is because healing in this game is very lightly tuned - resulting in non-DPSing healers to stand idle and do nothing. My pet, as you mentioned, can solo heal trash and bosses almost fully in expert dungeons. My pet has roughly 200 potency heals and is upped to 280 for 20s every minute. That's on average about 225 potency heals every 3 seconds. Regen, conversely, will do 150 potency every 3 seconds - except when Divine Sealed which bumps that to 195 for 15s - so 160 potency every 3 seconds. While less, that still means that regen alone should keep your tank alive - with only minimal needs to pop out of cleric and cast a cure. That means that over the course of a pull, you may cast 2-5 healing spells which works out to maybe 16% of the pull. That leaves 84% of the pull where you are doing nothing, but watching. That's a lot of time that you can get out some very significant DPS.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

My pet has roughly 200 potency heals and is upped to 280 for 20s every minute. That's on average about 225 potency heals every 3 seconds.

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Embrace is 300 potency and Rouse adds 40%. Add to that the fact that you can utilize skills like Fey Illumination and Whispering Dawn, meaning you can practically live in Cleric Stance even in big pulls if you use them along with buffs like e4e.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Embrace is 300 potency and Rouse adds 40%. Add to that the fact that you can utilize skills like Fey Illumination and Whispering Dawn, meaning you can practically live in Cleric Stance even in big pulls if you use them along with buffs like e4e.

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Embrace is 300 pet potency, which is equivalent to 200 player potency. Whispering Dawn and fey Illum are rarely needed in Expert, but I use them sometimes for sure. Shadowflare is another big one - but WHM has both E4E and Holy.

I evaluate: 1) how much damage the tank is taking, 2) how much my fairy can handle by herself, 3) how quickly mobs are dying. Unless the tank and/or dps are really bad I can pretty much stay in cleric stance for entire dungeons, maybe popping out of cleric to toss an adlo and a few lustrates for big pulls if rouse is not enough to keep the tank up (maybe Eos can handle them solo with buffs but I very rarely use her). Even on the new, slightly undergeared scholar I an playing on a different server, I am sure enough of my abilities to know where to dps, when to stop, and if I should mitigate or heal. Almost lv50 and the few deaths that happened in my dungeon runs were not from my own negligence, but their own stupidity (the derpagoon instinct to stand in bad...)

I'm not as comfortable playing whm and ast however so unless I want to go with a well-timed tetra/essential dignity I'll rarely let tanks drop below 30-50% on those two classes.