SMN is Broken in PvP

Sorry I've bursted just as fast if not faster than SMNs on DRG/MCH. The people I pvp with, and some replied to this forum, will tell you I have.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

- My point is that if I'm going to run into/am in range to use my stun, I won't be bursting anything if I had the chance to do so. It also eliminates the use of it being a means to lock down someone mid burst.

- Swiftcast exists for SMN, and even without swiftcast the fact that tri-bind can hit in a collective AoE (as well as blizzard II for that matter) makes it a much more powerful tool for self-defense (which is also the context of my post) and CC alike to alleviate pressure off themselves or anotehr healer (might I add that tri-bind is also more reliable, although that's more because of the ping/latency)

- Pets wasting DRs would only be the case if the SMN is keeping them on sic, otherwise this shouldn't even be a discussion because the same could be said for MCH's single target stun

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Well I see concern with you "running into range" for your stun to begin with that doesn't really make much sense. There's plenty of other sources of stuns before that even gets put on the table for discussion.

Both Blizzard 2 and Tri-Bind have a radius of 5y which is TINY especially when its exaggerated with the amount of server delay in this game. The only time you're going to land that is on a team which misplayed their positioning.

I mean if we're talking about the two together they usually are both a waste and are used in the same manner. How often do you rely on your MCH stun to set up a kill in an even battle. It's probably only ever used in a chase to lock down a second kill or to peel for your team in which case its still building DR. And stun gun is laughably the most wasteful use of stun DR if you manage to land it on more than one person.

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Originally Posted by Chaelyn

Sorry I've bursted just as fast if not faster than SMNs on DRG/MCH. The people I pvp with, and some replied to this forum, will tell you I have.

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DRG I believe but MCH would take an extended amount of time that allows for counter play.

Allows for counterplay sure, but can still burst as well if not better if left unattended the same way SMN is. That's what I'm getting at.

SMN also has counterplay so....

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Originally Posted by Chaelyn

Allows for counterplay sure, but can still burst as well if not better if left unattended the same way SMN is. That's what I'm getting at.

SMN also has counterplay so....

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But you're not understanding that SMN can do what MCH does in seconds in A SECOND with little to no counterplay. No you can't purify against a good SMN they understand the delay and timing and will get their stacks no matter how focused you are on purifying it. The Servers just allow for it. In competitive 4s multiple seconds is a lifetime

SMN is strong. But if you have learned about the job a little bit you'll know their weakness. The best way is to play SMN yourself and learn how it work. Their burst is strong but they're like the weakest job in PvP, with little to no tool to save themselves from getting killed. At least BLM has something like Sleep and magic shield. SMN has nothing. I think that's why SE doesn't want to nerf their attack potency too much because they traded that offensive abilities with their defenses.

To counterplay a SMN, you gang up on them and kill them before they burst you.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

SMN is strong. But if you have learned about the job a little bit you'll know their weakness. The best way is to play SMN yourself and learn how it work. Their burst is strong but they're like the weakest job in PvP, with little to no tool to save themselves from getting killed. At least BLM has something like Sleep and magic shield. SMN has nothing. I think that's why SE doesn't want to nerf their attack potency too much because they traded that offensive abilities with their defenses.

To counterplay a SMN, you gang up on them and kill them before they burst you.

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"But they're like the weakest job in pvp"

What

Have you even stepped foot in pvp for the past year and a half? What tools do BRD and MCH have to save themselves? BRD has 2 pititful heals and MCH has 1 neither of which really "save" them. BLM sleep is a long cast unless you use the pvp ability with a hefty cooldown....

Your last statment could be said about anything ever. That argues nothing

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Originally Posted by Exira

"But they're like the weakest job in pvp"

What

Have you even stepped foot in pvp for the past year and a half? What tools do BRD and MCH have to save themselves? BRD has 2 pititful heals and MCH has 1 neither of which really "save" them. BLM sleep is a long cast unless you use the pvp ability with a hefty cooldown....

Your last statment could be said about anything ever. That argues nothing

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I mean weakest in defense.

BRD & MCH have instant bind and heavy or something. I don't play these jobs in PvP.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

I mean weakest in defense.

BRD & MCH have instant bind and heavy or something. I don't play these jobs in PvP.

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If you haven't played all the jobs then what insight are you trying to provide?

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Originally Posted by Exira

If you haven't played all the jobs then what insight are you trying to provide?

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It's ok if you don't believe me. Find other way to deal with SMN then.