Problem: The Mentor requirements cater to players who have no business being Mentors.

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Originally Posted by IndigoHawk

I don't see the problem. No one needs a crown to help people. If you want a crown, work for it. SE wants mentors to have a wide variety of experience, which seems pretty reasonable for a system with unmonitored approval. So work towards the crown or don't.

Also, making outrageous and rude assumptions about people who have the crown makes it seem like the OP doesn't have the right attitude or enough experience to be an official mentor yet, so maybe the system is working fine.

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The problem is, achievements don't make a mentor, a person does. You can have 99999 achievements and be the worst teacher ever.

"Git guud"." when someone wants to learn to play. "Look at my achievements d00d."

Making mentors based on achievements was a failure to begin with, because over-achievers and teachers are quite different kinds of people.



Its like going to an athlete with 100 medals asking him to teach someone, he may be a very good athlete, but how good is he as a teacher? How does that make sense? It doesn't. Bad designed system, IMO.

They should of just stuck to Everquest's simple mentor system.

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Originally Posted by Jetstream_Fox

Ya but most of the mentors on Jenova aren't even the slightest helpful. I was in a PF for Sephirot EX with 3 other members who happened to be mentors and after the 3rd wipe they left. Only got to the second phase once with them and only one of them was explaining the mechanics and the other two were positive they knew what to do and on the second phase, yet they caused the wipes.

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To be honest, just because they are a mentor, doesn't mean they have to mentor all the time. I don't think anyone on Jenova has Seph EX down enough to mentor it yet anyway. If they aren't in mentor roulette, I wouldn't expect them to mentor. I get that you might expect more from them, but at this point they are trying to progress through the instance. And you shouldn't need mentoring in there right now anyway. If they were actively mentoring someone and quit, I can see calling them on it, but not in learning pfs, when they are the ones learning.

A lot will probably take off the tag as time goes on though, it's the new thing right now, and not everyone wants to help as much as they might think. I will probably sign up near the end of the patch.

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom

To be honest, just because they are a mentor, doesn't mean they have to mentor all the time. I don't think anyone on Jenova has Seph EX down enough to mentor it yet anyway. If they aren't in mentor roulette, I wouldn't expect them to mentor. I get that you might expect more from them, but at this point they are trying to progress through the instance. And you shouldn't need mentoring in there right now anyway. If they were actively mentoring someone and quit, I can see calling them on it, but not in learning pfs, when they are the ones learning.

A lot will probably take off the tag as time goes on though, it's the new thing right now, and not everyone wants to help as much as they might think. I will probably sign up near the end of the patch.

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But that's the point of being a mentor, to teach regardless of how far you have progressed in content. You are there to teach what you know not sit around on Bismarck bird and not do anything.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

If u meet req you are more likely to be a better mentor than someone that hasn't meet reqs. Tell me how you disagree

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As mentioned before, having a WHM, WAR and MNK (or whatever combo) leveled does not mean that you will have any idea how to actually play any of the other jobs. Sure, you'll have a general idea how how things work, but that's pretty basic and even those without the holy trinity leveled can pick up on these things.

Also, keep in mind that plenty of people FATE grind jobs. It's easy, it's mindless, and you really don't learn much about the job that way.

There is far more to "mentor" knowledge than simply "How do I play x job?". There are are a huge amount of side quests and dungeons and random items that aren't always obvious. Doesn't take someone with level 60 jobs to be able to figure those items out.

Regarding job knowledge, I personally would rather take advice from a person who really only plays one or two jobs, and plays them well vs. someone who has a plethora of jobs leveled. "Jack of all trades, master of none" comes to mind.

Make a group with someone, mentor them (can do that as long as your higher level of the same class they are.) giving him 50% experience bonus, and you 50% experience bonus on the same class. That is simple, and effective and requires 100000% less work then this probably did.

So, if a 60 Warrior decided to play his White Mage, he could "mentor" a 50 Warrior and do dungeons with him, this would produce an experience bonus to both of them as the mentor taught the mentoree.

There will be always people like those mentioned previously, since because there are rewards tied to it that come soon enough.

Plus the crown thing on the name, Special Snowflake and such.

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Originally Posted by Jetstream_Fox

But that's the point of being a mentor, to teach regardless of how far you have progressed in content. You are there to teach what you know not sit around on Bismarck bird and not do anything.

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No, the point of being a mentor is to give you a means of getting in contact with people who are looking for help. It does not mean you have to teach and be a mentor every time you log into the game. It's pure foolishness to think so. It does not become your job or even your obligation to do so by signing up.

Joining a PF for seph ex and happening to have a few people who have a mentor crown does not mean they are there to help you, they are there to play the game. If they started a PF and claimed it as a mentoring group, and disbanded like that, I would agree with you, but with your example, I think you are taking the tag as more than you should be.

I would even be more inclined to agree with you if it was content that was not the current endgame stuff.

Also, being a mentor doesn't mean you never cause wipes in endgame, the criteria for becomming one is no where strict enough to even make a comment alluding to that. Hell there are at least two posters on this forum from Jenova, who are mentors, who have no business even teaching the basics of the game.

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Originally Posted by Jetstream_Fox

Ya but most of the mentors on Jenova aren't even the slightest helpful. I was in a PF for Sephirot EX with 3 other members who happened to be mentors and after the 3rd wipe they left. Only got to the second phase once with them and only one of them was explaining the mechanics and the other two were positive they knew what to do and on the second phase, yet they caused the wipes.

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Being a Mentor doesn't mean you have to explain every single mechanic of every single fight in the game. I can almost guarantee that party was a farm or a clear, not a learning party. It also doesn't mean they're absolute pro's and never make a mistake.

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Originally Posted by HakaseNyan

The mentor crown is a special mall cop badge of importance. If you truly want to help people, then you'll help them no matter what. If a mentor is doing something you find unfitting of mentor status - too bad. Either politely interject and help the player(s) yourself, make a fuss, or keep quiet. Mentor status or not, people will continue to behave the same as they always have. It's not your position to try and police them.

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It's not 'too bad'. If you see a mentor doing something unfitting of the status, file a report. They voluntarily agreed to be held to a higher standard when they put the crown on, and they damn well better be facing the consequences for ignoring that.

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Originally Posted by Pells

It's not 'too bad'. If you see a mentor doing something unfitting of the status, file a report. They voluntarily agreed to be held to a higher standard when they put the crown on, and they damn well better be facing the consequences for ignoring that.

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Unfortunately, that's now how things work. It's already been shown, proven, that GMs do not care unless a mentor does something severe. There are players getting warnings and bans for trying to police mentors with the same ideals many players in this thread have.