Why can't you see your stats when you finish dung/raids and trials?

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

Not being visible to everyone would completely negate the point in having it.



The thing is, maybe you would care after you saw the data.

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I still think I'd want to wash my hands of it. You know, flush the memories away.

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Originally Posted by AlphaFox

Not really, as its been said it would just breed elitism, people will begin skipping or ignoring mechanics just to make sure they squeeze out every last drop of DPS to claim they are the best. If people are willing to do poorly in DF, just because it is a DF run don't tell me people won't start trying to do all they can to inflate their dps by any means needed just to try and gloat.

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Indeed, a few people who are currently jerks would then become jerks and have 0 way to actually do anything about it (as your DPS would be posted after the dungeon ends). Even if it didn't, the people who are already jerks would continue to be jerks. 90% of the playerbase would still be nice and kind the way they already are, but people would be able to see how they are performing and adapt.

As mentioned earlier, instead of fostering elitism, we are fostering frustration, ignorance and incompetence. (I disagree that a parser would even foster elitism, it would just be used by the people who are already elitists).

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom

While I want a system that gives players feedback on their play. I don't think blanket numbers for an entire dungeon are very good. You can get a lot of misinformation from it. If you are doing big pulls, the SMN will do better than the MNK for example. But a bad SMN might do slightly less and still think they did quite well.

Maybe if it gave you a percentile compared to others in the same job, but then you would have to account for ilvl differences, and synced/unsynced. The fflogs bossfight/percentile method is a little better in that regard. I'm for more of the right information.

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I completely agree. I'd rather a realtime parser, so you can see how your numbers change as you change your rotation, as the pull sizes changed, how you did on certain pulls and/or bosses and how you do with different party compositions. You can monitor how you improve or degrade your performance.

Percentiles would definitely be needed in the OP idea.

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Originally Posted by AlphaFox

Not really, as its been said it would just breed elitism, people will begin skipping or ignoring mechanics just to make sure they squeeze out every last drop of DPS to claim they are the best. If people are willing to do poorly in DF, just because it is a DF run don't tell me people won't start trying to do all they can to inflate their dps by any means needed just to try and gloat.

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Come on, please don't act like people don't already ignore mechanics in this game, it is just as rampant as any game I have played with meters in them. I would much rather have the person ignoring the mechanics at least push out more dps while doing that.

Also, "It would just breed elitism..." lol. That fear mongering.

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Originally Posted by Confidence_Trick

I still think I'd want to wash my hands of it. You know, flush the memories away.

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Do you find the game that horrible? If so, may I ask what you get from it?

I would like post duty results. Performance assessment is a great tool in RPGs and Mmos. It is one of the small things that holds this game back from being great instead of just good. Hopefully we can see something like this in the future.

Not really fear mongering when you see it already in the game.

[QUOTE=Do you find the game that horrible? If so, may I ask what you get from it?[/QUOTE]

I was just having some fun with the OP's choice of 'dung' (shudder) as abbreviation for dungeon :p I do in fact love this game.

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Originally Posted by StinkyPuppies

who took moist dmg

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Originally Posted by AlphaFox

Not really fear mongering when you see it already in the game.

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Shock horror! You mean its there already!? Without some kind of parser!?

You are afraid that if people can see their performance, they will actively try to improve it... and that jerks are going to be jerks, but the jerks are already in the game...

but yes, fear mongering.

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom

Shock horror! You mean its there already!? Without some kind of parser!?

You are afraid that if people can see their performance, they will actively try to improve it... and that jerks are going to be jerks, but the jerks are already in the game...

but yes, fear mongering.

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What I am saying is we have no reason to show other people our stats, if I see I did bad, I will see it and try to improve myself. Cant say the same for everyone but guess what, if they don't want to do better having stats shown will not have them suddenly feel guilty and turn it around. Also, I would work on that sarcasm, kinda lacking.

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Originally Posted by AlphaFox

What I am saying is we have no reason to show other people our stats, if I see I did bad, I will see it and try to improve myself. Cant say the same for everyone but guess what, if they don't want to do better having stats shown will not have them suddenly feel guilty and turn it around. Also, I would work on that sarcasm, kinda lacking.

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The reason why showing other people is so that you can know if you did bad. If you get an arbitrary number. Let's say you are a SMN, "You did 2 million damage this run". Great? Now let's put some context in. The SCH did 1.6 million, the DRK did 3.5 million and the BRD did 4.2 million. As a SMN you probably should be the highest with your massive AoE in a dungeon, but you're sitting at almost half of the tank's damage. Not so great.