Botting is getting worse.

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Originally Posted by Negafox

Ah, WoW. I played on a PvP server, and I used to mind control botters and throw them off a cliff.

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I was on a pvp server that was 90% Horde players, and as one of the few Alliance players, I had Horde players logging on alts to ask me to kill certain bots that were hogging all of the gathering nodes or spamming RMT in faction cities. It is nice for players to have a way to fight back when the GMs don't take action appropriately.

Ending pc support won't fix the probkem. People can hook ps4 to a Linux box and intercept data between client and game to achieve same thing.

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Originally Posted by Vlady

Ending pc support won't fix the probkem. People can hook ps4 to a Linux box and intercept data between client and game to achieve same thing.

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And SE would lose the biggest part of their player base.

Maybe it can help if SE bring back the mini-game to gathering

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Originally Posted by Vlady

No. People would play the game the way it was meant to be played and we would not have materia costing 5 million gil from inflation. Prices would actually be more reasonable because less gil would be on the server and prices go down then.

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Actually Basic economics: More of an item in stock decreases the price. They may make whatever grand number you speculated without a confirmed source, but truth be told, bots farm and sell stuff I really don't want to bother getting myself, like carbonized matter(insert any grade). In terms of materia, the price drops because any rmt worth his grain will under cut an actual player, again decreasing the value of the item. The real problem stems from the playerbase who will buy the gil, and that is what inflates prices on goods and adds the influx of gil to any server. Keep in mind the bot(s) are in the business of selling the items cheaply to get the gil fast to sell for real currency; it's the playerbase that buys said gil who will in turn not care to pay 25-30 million for a Coffin Lid(e.g) It does defy the ToS and the servers would be better off without them, but your ire is deflected on the wrong party.

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Originally Posted by Maero

I agree OP, and it's the people who keep buying from Gil Sellers that are equally as guilty for ruining the gaming experience for us

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

I mine crystals but cannot sit there for 1000 of them, I get extremely bored and mind begins to go numb, highest I get is like 300 or 500 before I have had enough.

Then you have people who mine up 9000+ crystals all down the board and I say no damn way they didn't do this legit, I do understand there are treasure maps that drop crystals and maybe they do that over time but then you check next day and they have same amount the next day then I say to myself time to find another source of farming GiL or undercut them.

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Or play the MB; over the last 2 years I've filled our FC CC and my own inventory to the rim with crystals and clusters just from buying low and selling high. I haven't farmed/ventured any in well over a year.

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Originally Posted by Iagainsti

Actually Basic economics: More of an item in stock decreases the price. They may make whatever grand number you speculated without a confirmed source, but truth be told, bots farm and sell stuff I really don't want to bother getting myself, like carbonized matter(insert any grade). In terms of materia, the price drops because any rmt worth his grain will under cut an actual player, again decreasing the value of the item. The real problem stems from the playerbase who will buy the gil, and that is what inflates prices on goods and adds the influx of gil to any server. Keep in mind the bot(s) are in the business of selling the items cheaply to get the gil fast to sell for real currency; it's the playerbase that buys said gil who will in turn not care to pay 25-30 million for a Coffin Lid(e.g) It does defy the ToS and the servers would be better off without them, but your ire is deflected on the wrong party.

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There are as many casual botters now as RMT botters. Both are bad for business on the legit player side of things and just because he is using the casual side of botting for his ire it does not denigrate the argument. When people who bot and are known botters on one of the largest servers possess multiple houses it still affects the normal player. The person might not have been able to afford said houses if they were forced to play the way legit players are. It is this overwhelming advantage that ruins the MMO market the same as first person shooter market dealing with aim bots and teleport hacks.

And chances are the rmt botters are using in house systems so possibly altering how commands in the client ids are handled may help break the mold of bots. Api based programs that inject directives into the dll files can be broken but would require a massive rewrite of the client and possibly encrypted commands which would be an arm and leg to costs..

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Originally Posted by Felis

Or just remove PC support

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Originally Posted by Vlady

My point is they should just make it legal so that everyone can have the same advantage

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I honestly hope these two ideas are not serious. Without a doubt two of the worst ideas that have come from this forum

There needs to be a quicker way to report someone on both pc and console

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Originally Posted by Galdous

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Sorry, I'm having hard time following what you said and why I was quoted. For one, I don't understand what housing has to do with my points, nor do I understand the relevance of your second paragraph. I am by no way a casual botter, yet I was able to afford to pay well over 40% of the cost of our FC house and buy a Large Plot when personal housing dropped the "legit"(this needs defining) way, and subsequently destroy it with no resentment when I saw other young FCs hurting for a house that I never used anyway, besides just wanting from the hype. So besides it defying the ToS, I do not see why a casual botter impacts the community if he is not reselling the gil for real currency.