Post Your Tanking Horror Stories!

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

Gotta say Jspec has the right of it here. Expert runs on average are 20-25 mins with a decent group. I haven't done a lv60 roulette since the last patch, so maybe those are faster now but before with a great group it was around 15-20 mins.

He didn't claim you couldn't do them in less time, of course with really good dps it can be a bit faster. "as short as maybe 20 minutes on a good day"

20 mins for a DF expert (with a completely DF group) is an above average clear speed in my own personal experience.

No justification for ad-hominem attacks

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It's not in my experience. Even then, 20 minutes is definitely not a good day. A good day is like 14~17 minutes. 20~22 minutes is pretty average. Anything more and there were probably some issues like a wipe.

Your standards for group performance are just low. Fractaal and Neverreap 16-20 minutes = great? Back when they were the EX roulette 14-16 minute DF runs were great. 18-20 were pretty average. These days, a great 60 roulette group can clear in ~12 minutes.

I don't really care much for the e-peen measuring and the differences in clear speeds don't matter much but for the sake of community quality, can we stop sugar coating sub-par play to make people feel better about themselves? You don't improve unless you have the proper perspective. If you're bad, you're bad. Nothing wrong with that unless you don't know it or refuse to acknowledge it.

Even the excuse of falling back on PLD. PLD is perfectly fine and is actually better in ways than WAR and DRK. You lose like 200-300 DPS for the entire run which your healer can kind of make up for since you will get 2 HG activations on probably 2 of the largest pulls in the dungeon.

20min for current DREX is definitely not that good, considering most of runs for me end up in the region of 14-17mins for most, rarely 12-13mins.

However, we have to consider the fact that DF in JP servers have more players aware of doing their personal best DPS, comparing to EN that is. Therefore, the benchmark is quite different if you want to say.

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Originally Posted by Brian_

...For the sake of community quality, can we stop sugar coating sub-par play to make people feel better about themselves?

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I remember when what is now called 'sugar coating' was once genially referred to as 'politeness.' Oh, those were the days! When being 'honest' wasn't considered a license for pointless discourtesy towards strangers you're likely never to meet again.

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Originally Posted by Galgarion

I remember when what is now called 'sugar coating' was once genially referred to as 'politeness.' Oh, those were the days! When being 'honest' wasn't considered a license for pointless discourtesy towards strangers you're likely never to meet again.

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Please let me know the polite way to tell people they suck.

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Originally Posted by Immut

Please let me know the polite way to tell people they suck.

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Can I offer some advice? Followed with a useful pointer. Or, if you're going to leave anyway, say: This isn't working out. Feeling the need to denigrate these poor fools on the way out is just mean. Life is punishing them anyway, right? I mean they already stink which is going to impact their gains, so why bother spitting on the floor as you're leaving?

Your mustache is awesome.

I just did a 50 roll in which 1 Dps and the healer seemed obsessed with staying as close to me as possible.

I was in the second boss fight (big airship that shits out fire puddles) and the Brd comes to stand right next to me during the Flame thrower AoE. I turn the boss away, he follows me again. Flame thrower goes off, and I move out of cone. Brd barbecues himself and eats the paste. After the second time this happens the healer just leaves him dead. At least the healer had some sense ...

Only we get to the final boss and she repeatedly runs in front of the dragons to dodge other AoE's. The Bard hits the floor early and the healer doesn't even bother to wake him up (I don't blame her, since I think this guy was AFK or suffering a stroke), but she's having trouble keeping the rest of us up because she practically soaked every frontal cone with me.

I kept trying to turn the dragons away from her, but she keeps wiggling closer and closer to me each time Midgarsormr shoots off an AoE. Before long I'm scrambling to cast stone skins on the party to try and buy her some healing time, because she's getting smacked around and havnig her casts interrupted. She eventually figured out that holding my hand was not the best way to avoid damage, but it took half the fight.

The Bard, on the other hand, was licking the bus window the entire time. Pretty much fed himself to every AoE that he could (even kited a few extras on top of me) and was barely more than auto-attacking. I felt bad for the other Dps (mnk) who pretty much had to carrying all the dmg in that run.

For comparison, had a PS HM run last night where the tank single pulled the entire place. Took 27 minutes.

Shenanigans are fun.

Our FC healer was trying on different pieces of gear for glamour so she could see how they looked when dyed. After she'd finally settled on one, we went into a dungeon, and I was having to work my arse off to survive. She commented on how squishy I was, and I was feeling it, too. I had no idea what was going on. I triple-checked my stance, made sure I had my right gear equipped, but through it all, I was having to double- and triple-up on cooldowns just to survive.

We get to the end of the dungeon, and her staff drops. She leaves the dungeon, and goes quiet for a few minutes. And when she finally speaks up, we understood why.

She'd healed the entire dungeon with a level 30 staff.

We had a good laugh about it, but I was honestly impressed that she was able to pull it off.

And in all fairness to her, I've done the exact same thing, only with a level 11 shield.

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Originally Posted by Astrelle_hyperion

For comparison, had a PS HM run last night where the tank single pulled the entire place. Took 27 minutes.

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This shows that "speed run" mechanics are only speedy if you have the right combination of well-geared DPS. You can pull all you want to, but unless your group can output shittons of AoE DPS, it isn't going to help the run go any faster.

EDIT: Missed the bold part. Herp. My bad. But that's about how long my slow-pull runs generally are.

I think you missed my point, 27 minutes as a data point for a slow/small pull, non-train wreck run. It didn't feel like a waste of time, but it did feel unexciting. While I've seen some sub-20s I think around 22-23 is the usual.

Or then there was the brd when I was talking arboretum, and decided that since I wasnt doing the pulls he wanted he would just auto- attack the rest of the dungeon.... Mobs had been dying very slow before was worse after... But I have a high tolerance before kicking, so whatever.