Rant on healers acting as a dps role

There's a time to DPS, and a time to heal. I people aren't taking much damage/that damage is easily managed with HoTs, I DPS. When the damage starts to get heavier, I start healing. I use my best judgment and base it off how the other healer is handling things. (Of course I do mess up/lag out when switching Cleric stance on/off sometimes and it doesn't switch off. :'D;;; /stillnoob )

Also, SCH is kind of a "pseudo-DPS" with a healer pet... or at least, that's how I play mine. If I'm on my AST/WHM with a Nocturnal AST or SCH partner, I usually expect to be doing the majority of the raid healing while they focus on DPSing and tending to the tank(s)+throwing some shields on the party when necessary, and vice versa if I'm the Nocturnal AST/SCH. That being said, if the other healer is struggling to keep the raid healthy and/or it's a big damage phase, the other healer needs to start healing. >> Extra DPS is great and all, but like I said... there's a time to DPS, and a time to heal. It should be common sense when to do which.

I agree with the OP. Today I did Ifrit and there was a level 22 CNJ doing it for the first time. He was trying to dps because everybody tells him to in dungeons but for this fight we needed him to ignore that doctrine and just do his real job.

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Originally Posted by DarkChild

I agree with the OP. Today I did Ifrit and there was a level 22 CNJ doing it for the first time. He was trying to dps because everybody tells him to in dungeons but for this fight we needed him to ignore that doctrine and just do his real job.

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Ifrit is incredibly easy once you understand the fight. A CNJ shouldn't really have to focus purely on healing, since the tank is the only one who should be taking damage outside Hell Fire.

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

Ifrit is incredibly easy once you understand the fight.

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Once you understand the fight, never forget that. People solo healed A3S as AST with 5 DPS once they understood the fight. The problem is: people are demanding farm strategies from learning parties. That's what's killing the game right now: pugs acting like pros without skill and/or knowledge.

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Originally Posted by TatoRazzino

Once you understand the fight, never forget that. People solo healed A3S as AST with 5 DPS once they understood the fight. The problem is: people are demanding farm strategies to learning parties. That's what's killing the game right now: pugs acting like pros without skill and/or knowledge.

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I completely agree. There's too much pressure put on people who are new to content. Just because it can be done a certain way doesn't mean it will ever time. People don't always have as much experience as their group when it comes to the content they are running. Don't force people to do something they are unable to. I would never expect someone who is new to know what to expect with Ifrit. I've wiped on Ifrit NM because people were new. Which is completely fine. There is nothing wrong with learning a new fight. I don't know why other people don't understand this. lol

And yeah, I wasn't telling her she was wrong about the healer in the fight. I was just pointing out that if everyone knows the fight there is nothing wrong with a healer DPSing for like 90% of the fight.

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

I've wiped on Ifrit NM because people were new. Which is completely fine. There is nothing wrong with learning a new fight. I don't know why other people don't understand this. lol

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This. 1000 times this.

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Originally Posted by TatoRazzino

Once you understand the fight, never forget that. People solo healed A3S as AST with 5 DPS once they understood the fight. The problem is: people are demanding farm strategies from learning parties. That's what's killing the game right now: pugs acting like pros without skill and/or knowledge.

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Guy advocates kill party. Guy can't pull over 1.2k DPS on ilvl 200+ during a near-stationary phase, as a melee DPS. Guy complains because people die while he optimizes for a wopping 20 DPS boost and jeopardizes the party doing so because people panic.
Something like that?

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Originally Posted by Gemma

"We're lacking in DPS, so instead of making our DPS do better, we're going to make our Healers & Tanks jobs more stressful"

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For bad groups you mean.

If we are ignoring world first clears and everyone being properly geared, then yes. If everyone wants to clear the content as fast as possible then sometimes even dps at their A game isn't enough and everyone has to participate (teams have to agree to this however). You posted this recently so I assume you obviously aren't part of that group.

Now that everyone should be properly geared then your statement would be correct. DPS (for the most part) should be able to do their role with little aid as you've mentioned. BUT its not going to hurt if there is enough down time and little risk for tank/healer dps. Its a team effort. If there is a way to make the fighter easier and if everyone IS CAPABLE then they should take the chance. Not at the cost of everyone dying however.

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Originally Posted by AzureFlare

Guy advocates kill party. Guy can't pull over 1.2k DPS on ilvl 200+ during a near-stationary phase, as a melee DPS. Guy complains because people die while he optimizes for a wopping 20 DPS boost and jeopardizes the party doing so because people panic.
Something like that?

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Or: I'LL MT FULL SLAYING BCS I SEE ELYSIUM DOING IT EVEN THOUGH I DON'T KNOW THE PROPER CD ROTATION FOR THIS AND THEN I'LL GET ONE SHOT BY AN AUTO-ATTACK AND I'LL BLAME THE MAIN HEALER. Something like this.

At end of the day its all talk. Some people will say you should heal, some say you should dps. But thats all it is words, words on the internet.

Ultimately you will decide for yourself how you wish to play your job. Most of this discussion, along with whole tank dps discussion isnt about playing your job. Its all about "Being right on the internet". When people debate about heals vs dps, all they are doing is trying to prove that other people are wrong.

You dont need to be right or wrong. Just play how you wish to play. Dont worry about meaningless internet debates.