"Fun comes first"

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Originally Posted by Heskett

Its as if you guys forgot that the final Anima weapon will be the best weapon in the game for the 5-6 month period between 3.X's final patch and 4.0.

That's why you do it now. Sure you'll replace it 3 weeks into 3.2, but then you'll grind and use it again for 3.25 and so on.

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And then the steps gets nerfed. And grinding a month worth for each 0.5 patch and then getting a weapon that completely outclasses it the next patch is by no means logical. I played ff11 for years the "relic" weapons there, though tedious lasted for really long.

Imagine this,
3.15, grind a month to enjoy i210 weapons for maybe a month.
3.20 gives i220 gears.
3.25, grind another month for the new relic upgrade.
3.30, gives i230,i240 gears.
3.35, grind another month for new relic upgrade.
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4.0 - 2-3months of grind in total which maybe can be used for the first 4-6 levels? Nerf relic steps. Repeat.

Lets be honest, Beast tribe quests are a pain to do. Throwing us back to do the same dungeons we've done for a year & for our zeta & relic, and Alexander (which we've done for like what 5-6months? while waiting for 3.1) sounds lazy to many, and this is why players are enraged.

You guys are severely over-exaggerating how long Anima grind will be.

I been having great fun doing the relic quest. Its pretty much what I expected it to be. Now I have a lot more stuff to do in the game.

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Originally Posted by Heskett

You guys are severely over-exaggerating how long Anima grind will be.

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Not really, 12-20Mil for HQ items, depending on servers. 630 Successful Alexander run, provided you don't get sick of it already with savage and having to farm that for 6months. Queueing time if you're a DPS unless you can find a party.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...aring&sle=true you can use this, its a calculator to determine how long it'd take if you go with other options rather than 1.

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Originally Posted by OMGAFLYINGPENGUIN

Reusing something doesn’t work for every game, eventually players will get burnt out no matter how persistent or hardcore one is. Even the most supportive players are criticizing recent thing.

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When even players that have been subbed for 2+ years start leaving, one would think that there's something wrong.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I been having great fun doing the relic quest. Its pretty much what I expected it to be. Now I have a lot more old stuff to repeat another 800 times in the game.

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Fixed.

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Originally Posted by OMGAFLYINGPENGUIN

Not really, 12-20Mil for HQ items, depending on servers.

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For day 1

This stuff always drops over the weeks following... the arrows are only 400k a piece on balmung already

OP, just letting you know that the last time I posted a thread with an image pointing out Yoshida's hypocrisy, it earned me ten days on the beach. Hopefully you are prepared for martyrdom.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

For day 1

This stuff always drops over the weeks following... the arrows are only 400k a piece on balmung already

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Balmung is a populated server.. there are plenty of veteran crafters like masamune and tonberry. Its cheaper on my server too yes but what about those in a small server?

I mean with all due respect don't get me wrong I'm not picking a fight with you, I personally think just because it works for some people it doesn't work for everyone. Some people enjoy it, some don't. I'm merely showing why there are people who dislike it, they have their right to voice out their opinion. And although I'm still neutral as hell, the problems with this is extremely prominent. Although you might have friends to do this with you on balmung and enjoy the process, it might be the opposite for others. Some barely have 3hrs of game time per day.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Thats just your opinion, nearly all of PF on balmung is relic related, so clearly its not the popular opinion either. My fc has been making fun of the forums for complaining so much about the relics, most of us are working on them without caring that its grindy

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Gilgamesh has 47 PFs at around 2-3pm, Balmung has averaged over 30 all day, as have other servers. So despite the game supposedly dying, it seems not everyone's getting the motto. Fancy that.

If you actually break down the Anima grind, it's not that bad. People here just look at only one method and lose their minds.

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Originally Posted by OMGAFLYINGPENGUIN

Balmung is a populated servers.. there are plenty of veteran crafters like masamune and tonberry. Its cheaper on my server too yes but what about those in a small server?

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What about them? Even if they released a bevy of content, small servers will always lag behind the bigger ones. The fact remains for a game supposedly seeing a mass exodus, the PF on those big servers increased on an early Wednesday of all days.

I would like to say this: This wasnt designed with "fun" in mind, this was designed to try and keep people wanting to "pay" for the game over months at a time. This is probably why yoshi said he wouldnt want to do this content, "sustainable business model" is the key thing here. Also, SE likes to create skinner boxes (look up skinner box on google and think in terms of MMO's pretty messed up thinking about it like that but it's scary how true it is). It's kinda sad they still dont listen to players even after the flop of 1.0. I was in beta for that, we went nuts on forums when they released a date to actually release the game. Not finished, bad implementation, really laggy servers, actions not working properly, etc etc. But they still released it LOL. Sad but the truth is, they are creating a game based upon wanting to keep people paying to funnel money into other projects, thats what it boils down to.