I agree, in my opinion, there should be a greater advantage to shields. Its quit logical for shield parry's in which you deflect a blow with your shield just as likely as you would do a full block.
Shields & Parrying in 1.19
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10-20-2011, 07:48 AMCoglin
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10-20-2011, 08:13 AMReinheart
Samurai will parry so they had to have the parry materia for swords :)
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10-20-2011, 09:47 AMNakiamiieWhy did they changed it? It was nice to parry and block. Any thoughts on why they decided to change it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bayohne
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10-20-2011, 11:03 AMBadJoeRed
I was sad to read it was not a bug. I feel gladiators aren't really needed at this point. No parry, horrible block rate, and horrible proc rate for aegis boon and deflection after the patch made GLA weak. All of the 'hard' content they've come up with can be done without gla. Hell, I haven't watched a video on it yet, but I hear Ifrit is better tanked with LNC due to them being able to do damage?
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10-20-2011, 12:43 PMBahn
Bayohne. This change makes no sense. In real life you CAN parry with your weapon while you have a shield up. If this was a balance change, I understand, but why wasn't this change documented in the first place? The only upside a Gladiator has now is their "larger" HP pool, but you nerf their ability to dodge stuff, nerf their blockrate, then nerf their ability to parry with their weapon (which is VERY MUCH doable in real life). I remember a forum post by someone who takes swordfighting lessons in real life and they stated that parrying with a shield is easily doable, and is one of the basics they teach you when you start their lesson.
Please let the devs know that this stuff needs to be un-nerfed. Gladiator was already a low-midtier class in 1.18 and all these stat "fixes" and whatnot seemed to have done little to making them redundant versus a MRD or PGL as a tank. Hell, even a max rank THM can tank almost as well as a GLA - that makes no sense whatsoever.
I hope with 1.20 the patch undoes this ninja nerf, as I really dislike it. As the previous poster stated: low proc rate on Aegis Boon and Deflection, crap block rate, low damage, no parry. What's the point of playing this class when there are better alternatives? -
10-20-2011, 12:55 PMKiote
Yeah, I'm gonna have to fall on the side of Shield = No Parry is bad. It doesn't make logical sense, GLA were heavily over nerfed, and they could have given the class more depth by giving players three stats to play with.
On another point, They need to make parrying more obvious, at least for PUG they do. I honestly can almost never see it happen.. -
10-20-2011, 01:06 PMTreachOur lancers and conjurers have tanked ifrit when tank dc'd or died to bad positioning+eruptions lol, once it's 50% it really doesn't matter what tanks it as long as it can keep hate. No real point in defense at that phase, just need to rotate defensive cool downs.Quote:
Originally Posted by BadJoeRed
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10-20-2011, 01:53 PMAlhanelemTanks with shields can parry in FFXI. I don't see any reason to break from this- especially when the block rate is so low now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bayohne
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10-20-2011, 02:15 PMNanaya
I'm fine with not being able to parry, since unlike XI, parry in this simply mitigates the damage, so shield + parry is terribly redundant, but they need to do something about the abysmal shield proc rate. Without Deflection, Aegis Boon, etc, I can understand a relatively low proc rate, but even with those abilities that promise a higher block rate, it's still pretty shit tier. If I use Deflection, for the limited amount of time I have that buff up, I should be seeing something like a 60-70% block rate. I know that Square has an aversion to the traditional shield tank, with the total love/hate relationship they had with Paladin, and those months where Ninja was their golden child, but it's time to throw us a goddamn bone here.
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10-20-2011, 08:16 PMKhazar
You cant parry when you equip a shield? only block? it sounds ridicolous to me :/ you may PARRY and BLOCK...