Why can you do Savage Coil unsynced?

Who cares if people unysync old content? You had your exclusivity back when it was new just like you have your exclusivity now with current content.

I like it more when people unsync old content because even if it's way easier than intented they atlast did it themself instead of paying others to do it for you.

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Originally Posted by Silica-chan

Who cares if people unysync old content? You had your exclusivity back when it was new just like you have your exclusivity now with current content.

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Where I care is: why do PvPer get exclusivity on their seasonal items when we raider don't get any exclusivity and always end share with casus?

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Originally Posted by Arutan

Where I care is: why do PvPer get exclusivity on their seasonal items when we raider don't get any exclusivity and always end share with casus?

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I don't understand that either but if I had to guess it's just there to get people in that mode in the first place. Another possible reason why they still exist is probably because people barely recognice others having those items (some might not evem know they exist). So I assume SE thinks the playerbase is ok with them because no one is asking for them to be made available for everyone. (except for that minion)

It's the problem of the mentality differences in there playerbase so regardless of what is done by the devs there will always be a group of people unhappy about something. (and most likely let them know about it)
That's why I think people should enjoy their exclusivity while it's there and move on to the "new" one once the "old" becomes easier to get.

You want exclusivity? That's easy to fix: Ask SE to permanently take down the savage raids 3-6h after release or as soon as the 1st group clears.

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Originally Posted by Silica-chan

Who cares if people unysync old content? You had your exclusivity back when it was new just like you have your exclusivity now with current content.

I like it more when people unsync old content because even if it's way easier than intented they atlast did it themself instead of paying others to do it for you.

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There was absolutely no need to make Savage SCoB unsyncable. That tier was specifically made to challenge the people that cleared SCoB even further, and from an unsync point of view it doesn't really bring in a considerable amount of new things for people to experience. People do them for the titles these days, not for an experience. The only thing it did was invalidate the hundreds of hours some people invested into clearing the hardest raid content up to date. Ofc the majority of the people will be happy that more titles are within their reach, but those titles were never created for the general populace in the first place.

I don't disagree with unsyncing other things, however. Unsyncing Savage SCoB is just a silly thing to do and kinda destroys the purpose imo. Unsyncing those fights don't really "add up to the experience", but they do invalidate the effort spent by the marginal group of players that invested countless hours into getting those titles.

Being a part of the group of people that DID NOT learn coil Savage (mostly because a number of our raid group members didn't care for it), I absolutely have to side with those that are annoyed that it can be done unsynced.

It's like giving someone a 1st place ribbon in a race for coming first in high school, then later down the line when the 2nd or 3rd place racers become olympic atheletes - you also give them a 1st place ribbon for the same race.. It's a false reward for a goal that they didn't actually achieve.

The point of it was to give people a challenge to work towards, and giving them a fitting "good job, you beat the hardest content in the game" reward.
Once you start handing that out just because someone zerged through it while they were over levelled and over geared, you trivialize the reward for everyone that did actually beat the fight at the appropriate level.

In a similar sense you can look at the White Raven fight back in 1.0... If they were to hand out white raven earrings for any other reason - you suddenly trivialize the effort and time that people went through to get those rewards.

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Originally Posted by Core1019

Dand the title isn't worth much

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Pretty much the same can be said of 99% of all game titles IMO.

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Originally Posted by Silica-chan

Who cares if people unysync old content? You had your exclusivity back when it was new just like you have your exclusivity now with current content.

I like it more when people unsync old content because even if it's way easier than intented they atlast did it themself instead of paying others to do it for you.

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This isn't about fairness, or a "why does X guy get it lucky by doing it unsynced", it's about healthy game design and keeping rewards consistant. I don't understand why we are promoting the idea of outdating content, and by allowing the content to be unsynced means that the content as it was is destroyed. I can no longer go back and take the second coil challenge for the titles anymore because there is no point, the reward has lost all meaning because the assumption is that you did it unsynced.

The same goes for alexander tank mounts, the gobwalker no longer means anything because the manipulator is easy now, and come stormblood, the mounts will be on casual farm as much as 2.0 ex primals are farmed for ponies.

This is not a good thing, content dies because it is forced to, not because the community loses interest.

Your effort isn't invalidated. You just perceive it that way out of pettiness. Seriously. Stop worrying about what other people do and get. If you are proud of the title, be proud of it. Someone else having it should have zero bearing on that.

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Originally Posted by dragonseth07

Your effort isn't invalidated. You just perceive it that way out of pettiness. Seriously. Stop worrying about what other people do and get. If you are proud of the title, be proud of it. Someone else having it should have zero bearing on that.

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The effort is invalidated though, it isn't that it is unfair that someone can do it unsynced, rather that the trophy becomes meaningless. We aren't talking about people and pettiness here, we are talking about game systems and a precident that content will quickly die and the effort put in now will likely become meaningless very quickly. I don't care if someone does the content unsynced, thats up to them, I do care that the devs think that it is ok to give the same reward for unsynced as synced though, especially on content specifically designed to provide a challenge