SE please change the not-heavy-at-all feeling of DRK attacks

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

They are pretty much fine as is. Besides the way you hold your weapon, I would like that for Samurai instead. Everything else is fine. =) I don't see why people want to change soul eater, because honestly why would the lifetap move be the shoot thing? If anything it would be the one it has! =)

It looks perfect if you use a proper sword. Two handed swords are actually unlike fantasy likes to believe... not very heavy.

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i would prefer samurai have it so that there ready stance is with there weapon sheathed but with them sort of crouched down and in a stance to be able to quickly draw the weapon then attack.

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Originally Posted by dragoelete

i would prefer samurai have it so that there ready stance is with there weapon sheathed but with them sort of crouched down and in a stance to be able to quickly draw the weapon then attack.

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Something like Iaijutsu fits that description.

It's fine, everything makes sense on a scientific standpoint. Slashing left and right from Scourge sounds heavier because you're trying to maintain a straight slash while use force perpendicular to gravity. Souleater on the other hand does 2 slashes, one going up and one going down. The one going up wouldn't really be that heavy because focusing your energy in a direction opposite the force that's going against you makes it a lot easier. Besides this is a game, if everything is realistic, shouldn't Jump from Dragoon cause a literally explosion of sorts on the group and sound way heavier than an axe would?

On that note, I'll just say. Giantswords aren't made to sound heavy, being heavy doesn't make it stronger. I like flying slash slash slash, this is a game. Magic.

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Originally Posted by koroko220

Maybe they did that on purpose so it signifies like your character is getting stronger so you can be like in the animes where they flick around giant swords like toothpicks.

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This. I'm guessing they really based the animations on characters like Guts, since he can swing a sword bigger than he is with ease, so the DRK swinging their swords like they were nothing does seem to fit that M.O.

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Originally Posted by Ditto

Something like Iaijutsu fits that description.

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thats what i was thinking just couldnt remember if it was iaijutsu or iaido

Only one I don't like is soul eater. Why they felt the need to make the dark knight do a Mario jump is beyond me. As for the 'light' feeling it's because the dark is in a semi jumping animation when doing delirium and souleater yet the seem to move to slow and be floating. If they moved faster it would feel far more weighty

Asides from the sound effects, which I personally don't have an issue with, I feel that the lack of "weight" in drk's attacks comes from the animations being of consistent speed and lacking acceleration (i.e. speeding up).

Layman's terms, the attacks would look "weightier" if the started slow and then got a lot faster towards the end, sort of a wind-up and swing cadence to it. This emulates the heft and acceleration of moving/swinging a heavy object. You get this somewhat with Scourge where there is a pause(wind-up)->fast swing->pause(wind-up)->fast swing. Then you look at Delerium and Soul Eater and the speed is fairly consistent which makes it look "off" and "floaty". With SE, if the upwards jump was slow with a slight pause at the top and then the player comes crashing down much faster it would look much heavier and more powerful.

IMO, the animations themselves are for the most part fine but the speed and timing of them could easily be tweaked to give the attacks a heavier more powerful feel.
Not absolutely necessary but it would be nice and could be done.

I think the word you're looking for is torque. The 2-hit abilities - some have it, some don't. Think of ball players who drop their elbows and move hips as they swing.
Reprisal animation has that appearance , Scourge too. Some of the others though.. not so much.

Not really, torque is rotational force and I am literally talking about acceleration due to an increase in momentum and not necessarily just rotation based.

An object of considerable mass will take a large amount of initial force to get it moving but once it is going it takes less force to continue at a consistent speed due to momentum. If a constant force is applied to the object it will continue to accelerate due to momentum until all opposing forces (gravity, wind resistance, etc.) provide enough resistance to stop it from accelerating.

How does this apply to the animations?
As I stated, they are consistent in speed, so there is no slowness to start with a gaining of speed as momentum is quickly gathered and so they look odd because it goes against what we observe the natural movement of objects to be like in the real world.

Soul Eater and Delerium are even more noticeable in this regard because gravity would factor in and result in even greater changes in speed and momentum.

P.S. Yes I know this is a fictional fantasy game with magic and all that in it. I bring up these real world scientific reasonings because it affects how we perceive the actions being done in the game and whether they seem correct to our brains or "off".