What's the point of being elite at your job?

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Originally Posted by Shorty

This can actually be an interesting discussion. Eliteness in PVE takes skill too, just a different set of skills when compared to PVP games.
You mentioned: knowing your rotations (practice), study the fight timings and mechanics (comprehension).
I'll add: knowing how to gear properly (mathematics), being able to feel a boss encounter's rhythm (experience), being able to work with your team (teamwork).
And then: put all these together during the actual fights.

There are reasons why a lot of groups can't clear final coil before echo, and more haven't cleared savage coil even though the base game is the same for everyone. Those that can are the elites.
Even if you can, there are groups like Lucrecia etc battling out for world firsts. Those are the super elites.

And the reward for being the elite? You set the trend, and the bar by which everyone else is measured against:
Who figured out the optimal rotation for your job?
Who devised the strategies you read to tackle those boss fights/mechanics?
Who set the DPS bars other people try to match?
There are probably more. But if you are an elite, people copy and learn from you.

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So while I'll admit there are a different set of skills for PvE, none of it is really quantifiable. While there's certainly pride in clearing things with your friends, there's also pride in individual accomplishment. Aside from being world firsts there's not really much you can do to distinguish yourself. For all the people who aren't world firsts but are still elite at their job, what's in it for them? They wont be setting any trends.

So while Marshawn Lynch might only play football to win a super bowl, he also pushes himself to do the best that he can. And there's always a spirit of competition between an RB and other players in the same position. There's naturally a spirit of competition between people. Some people are bad eggs who will lord their dps over yours and some just genuinely like to compete with you but don't rub it in. Never in my life have I made someone feel bad for DPS. Sure, I'm definitely comparing against you when we do content but I'm not going to mention it at all. Maybe you don't care, or maybe you're just learning.... I don't know.

The thing about team accomplishment is that team accomplishment also requires individuals to push themselves and contribute. Teams are made up of individuals and their mutual success is best achieved when they have mutual goals and push to improve. There's nothing more a QB striving to be the greatest QB in the world loves than a team of players who are also striving to be the best in the world. Team accomplishment is a result of mutual individual accomplishments (at least in the case of dps in the game)

I think what I'm saying is that I like the competition that you get from a quantifiable number. You can win a football game and run for 200 yards at the same time. You can have team accomplishments as well as individual accomplishments as well. For me, clearing the content is a team accomplishment, but hitting 1.2k or whatever dps is my own individual accomplishment and a point of self-pride.

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Originally Posted by Dervy

This entire thread is Ebola.

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Aren't you literally theorycrafting for like 0.0012% damage increases ? You should be jumping for joy at this. Instead of having a 0.0012% increase in damage you might see a 0.0013% increase in damage. Don't wet yourself now

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Originally Posted by Outfoxed

I bet you're the kind of person who probably wishes everything in life was handed to you because people who worked harder in their life to make more money were just "elitists".

Enjoy your foodstamps bro, and by bro I mean never my bro.

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There you have it folks, OP showing his/her true colors
OP Y you mad though?

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Originally Posted by Outfoxed

0.0012% damage increases

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Of course. I do it for three reasons.

1) Hobby (sad, I know but yolo)
2) To ensure there's a gap between myself and other able players, so outsiders can differentiate ourselves from the good and bad players.
3) Dragoon #1 DPS or bounce outta here.

One thing I don't do is belittle other players or resort to troll-baiting, especially players who are trying their hardest or are willing to learn... With the exception of troll-posts or absolutely dumb posts.

The thing is, I agree there needs to be a platform or at least something community based so people known who is who, but that's already there. A lot of players actual skill level is shown in raids. There's players who, no matter how hard they try, don't have the skill capacity to reach numbers "elite players" can reach. It doesn't take 1 hour. 2 hours. It could take weeks for average players to reach levels you're capable of achieving. Why is it I can parse 1k on a fight, but other players struggle to break 800 on the same encounter? Player skill.

You mention all of these little tricks to excel your DPS for "1-2 DPS more". Yes, that's what a top player does. He/she wants those little bits of DPS. He/she wants that DPS milestone to flaunt their e-peen and other players gaze upon his/her amazing 1337 skills.

And here's another thing. Just because it's easy for me, you, thendiel, auirily, sunny, krietor, Aikaal, sleigh, hack, Ricky, odowla, pands and many, many more amazing players in our respective communities to pick up and learn boss fights, rotation tips to be an effective player in raids in any given situation, this does not apply to the community as a whole. Majority of the players you see post in these forums ARE the elite players. The parses and posts you see here ARE high and very little variation between them all, because a majority of the best players flock to these forums.

Just because the average height is 5ft 10 and you're 6ft3 doesn't automatically invalidate this fact that the global average is lower than your height.

And besides. This thread and that Reddit post are ebola as there's toxic posts all over the place.

Damn OP way to bring classism into it. (lets not open those can of worms on a GAME forum ._.)

If you want personal achievements I guess look for a static ? There are statics who say "Looking for DRG with (insert high dps numbers)". Try those out.

No need to be saltyand aggressive <.<.

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Originally Posted by Skullhack

Have you ever played WoW PVE btw ? It's exactly the same. Tell me one MMORPG that separate elite from beginers IN PVE BY THEIR SKILL.

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So, no answer ?

After thinking about it : you are playing against AI and you can learn their pattern. On LoL, you are playing against other player, you can't learn their pattern, that's why there is no way to compare.

Now if you want skill in PVE, go play Monster Hunter, it require more skill than being Challenger on LoL.

In the MMO PVE meta, as others have no doubt said, the way you show skill is not always in how much damage you can do. It is shown in your ability to do that and also be the fastest at picking up mechanics and making the least mistakes from the first moment you step into the raid. Adjusting to things on the fly instead of bashing your head against the wall. It requires a team who's baseline skill is near yours to do so, but ultimately it is a team oriented game (as is LoL at the highest levels, I'm sure). If you are looking for ways to lord your skill over the masses or separate yourself from the pack even at the highest of the high levels, this is probably not the genre for you. I say that honestly and without malice. If you aren't having fun and can't find the reward for pushing that, as you say, 0.00013% more dps while also perfectly repeating mechanics and/or being the first to figure them out and perform them with minimal gear, then you are better off finding another game where you do and can enjoy the things YOU look for in a game.

Wants cutting edge elite pve (or pvp), plays final fantasy.

This isn't the right game for your eliteness breh. Having switched from high level play in WoW, this game is pretty easy, and that's okay. I realize that I'm not the target audience for this game, but i'm still having fun.

NEWS FLASH

Nobody plays MMO's because they are hard. In fact... we don't play video games because they are hard. We do them for entertainment and to get a feeling of accomplishment for the comfortable spot in our armchairs. Get off your high horse about being the best cause there is no being the BEST in a MMO. It's a simple time sink that anyone with average dexterity and a average IQ can achieve.

If you wanna play something with skill then play a game that enters into the e sports world where you can compete with other gamers of skill.

This game is simply not made for that.

I think this is a Godwin, but individual skill is secondary to teamwork in PVE. It took a group effort to be the first to clear Final Coil in melded gear.